Now, if only the MS shills could accept that just because it's not free software, it isn't necessarily and automatically better than the *free* equivalent...
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Now, if only the MS shills could accept that just because it's not free software, it isn't necessarily and automatically better than the *free* equivalent...
Boot times are measured from when you press the power button until after the login process when the system goes into "idle" status. In other words, from when the system powers on until when you have a usable desktop.
The 22 seconds that the new Ubuntu takes to boot - as far as I understand it - is from just after the BIOS stops booting until the Ubuntu login screen idle process. It's thus not a good way of measuring boot time.
I doubt your estimations of your Windows boot times are also correct, tbh.
Jabberwocky
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I`ll upgrade to windows7 when i absolutely have to.
In the meantime i`ll hold thumbs that linux gains such a significant market share that companies like Autodesk will start developing software for linux, and game developers will all adopt opengl. I hate the way Microsoft forces us to buy their new O/S just so we can use their new graphical API.
then again, what other incentive is there to upgrade? I don't care what windows exporer looks like because i use total commander, and i don't care for internet explorer because i use Opera, and i play media with media player classic.
Should we upgrade for the security? I used to support 40 pc's where i worked. The ones that were most stable were the win98 machines simply because no-one used it anymore, and thus no-one writes viruses for it anymore. I figure as soon as the majority adopts win7, winxp will be a bit relieved of its viral plague.
In the meantime i`ll hold thumbs that linux gains such a significant market share that companies like Autodesk will start developing software for linux, and game developers will all adopt opengl. I hate the way Microsoft forces us to buy their new O/S just so we can use their new graphical API.
then again, what other incentive is there to upgrade? I don't care what windows exporer looks like because i use total commander, and i don't care for internet explorer because i use Opera, and i play media with media player classic.
Should we upgrade for the security? I used to support 40 pc's where i worked. The ones that were most stable were the win98 machines simply because no-one used it anymore, and thus no-one writes viruses for it anymore. I figure as soon as the majority adopts win7, winxp will be a bit relieved of its viral plague.
... You are assuming that everyone who has just downloaded the Beta is going to rush out and buy a licensed copy of Win 7 as soon as it is released?... and all those who stuck with XP are just going to give it up and rush to Windows 7 whether their hardware is ready or not? And all those Linux fans (like myself) who like to dual-boot are just going to say F-IT and delete their Linux partitions? And all those Apple Mac fanbois are going to finally see the light and sell their macs and buy Windows machines?
Yeah the word crush is ambiguous. In tech circles it seems to mean "do very well" and not "no more linux".
I think microsft have an OS in win7 which will not loose to much market share, and will have many happy users. Will this mean the end for linux, no, but will it mean a potential slowdown in current windows to linux migration, potentially yes.
Windows is free
O'Rly? Well, judging by the latest dealer pricelists, Windows Vista Ultimate DSP 64-bit is around the R2000 mark. Way too much to pay everytime you upgrade your motherboard!
.. I actually loaded ubuntu the other day to see what all the hype is about but once i realized corel draw has 0 chance of working along with my entire cs4 package and i could not get a single one of games to run either. Booted up with vista and finished my work because cs4 and corel draw actually run
You went about that all wrong.
What you described is a bit like putting a diesel engine in your car, and then filling it up with petrol.
killadoob
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How so? i googled and nobody has been able to get corelx4 or cs4 running on ubuntu, Nor does gta 4 run and from what i read my fav game bf 2 takes a very long time to get it to run and you may possibly never get it to run. Ubuntu did look nice and feel good but like i said for my needs it's not an option. Internet and email ubuntu rocks.
So how would you have gone about getting cs4 and corel x4 to run?
So how would you have gone about getting cs4 and corel x4 to run?
Windows 7 isnt a linux killer, but linux will never be a Windows killer until they get the gaming companies on board... Thats one of the main problems with linux, people dont want to dual boot or run stuff "kind of okay" with WINE.
But I personally think Universities and schools should make the switch to Linux, its free and will prevent kids from playing games rather than working
But I personally think Universities and schools should make the switch to Linux, its free and will prevent kids from playing games rather than working
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d0b33
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I use virtual box with an XP install
I run my windoze apps in a virtual machine so when winders crashes my hole PC wont need to be rebooted only the winduhs machine.
But I have Windows insalled on a seperate drive for gaming only.
Nice thing about a virtual machine is that I can upgrade or format my system... but I can still use my virtual machine to resume from the previous days work.
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porchrat
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No gary but judging from amount of interest windows 7 has i am sure it will do fine and sales will be high. I actually loaded ubuntu the other day to see what all the hype is about but once i realized corel draw has 0 chance of working along with my entire cs4 package and i could not get a single one of games to run either. Booted up with vista and finished my work because cs4 and corel draw actually run
These sort of comments really irritate me. corel draw, cs4 and the various games out there are designed for a Windows OS by the software companies. Not by Microsoft. It isn't the fault of the Linux community if those companies do not produce versions that run on Linux. This being said, the community has often found ways to get software designed for Windows to run on Linux, but if that is impossible then often there are alternative applications out there that you can try. Try to be a little more open-minded (joke not intended)
.Please keep in mind that despite my signatures, I am not a Linux fanboi. I love XP and wish support would continue for it as it has been one of the best operating systems I have ever used. I hated Vista, though I am cautiously optimistic about Windows7.
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Mercurious
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Unless Linux comes pre-installed on PC's, it will never become the dominant operating system. People are terrified of using any other other operating system but a Microsoft one - Windows is a brand. Also, although Ubuntu in itself is a great operating system, as long as the software/hardware companies don't write software/drivers for it, it will never really take off.
I understand that. But one of the main arguments in TFA is that Windows 7 is optimized for netbooks. Now, the main attraction of netbooks is that they are cheap. Adding an extra R1000+ of MS tax doesn't make much sense for me. I'd rather have a cheap Linux based netbook than an expensive Windows one, tbh.
Canonical is almost at a point where it is self-sustaining. Check this:
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/20/1627243&from=rss
Now don't look at the $30mil number. What's really important here is that Canonical is self-sustaining. They are generating enough revenue from Ubuntu now to keep on going without Mark's help.
And that is good news for Linux users and scary news for MS.
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/20/1627243&from=rss
Now don't look at the $30mil number. What's really important here is that Canonical is self-sustaining. They are generating enough revenue from Ubuntu now to keep on going without Mark's help.
And that is good news for Linux users and scary news for MS.
d0b33
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Good times ahead.. good times.
chiskop
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Help my xbox games won't run on my PS3! I'm a retard!
Maverick_Nick
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I think that people have to seriously reevaluate the way they look at software, and software developers have to reevaluate the way they price their software. As a software developer, one of my primary incentives to develop applications is for monetary compensation. However, I also don't expect to make a ton of cash over night, so I never price my applications too high. End users should also remember that as long as we live in a monetary society (which I dislike), developers like myself can't survive unless you're will to pay for the software.
In conclusion, I've just got to say that you shouldn't dislike Windows because it's not free, and remember that competition helps drive innovation. Frankly, I wouldn't want to see any operating system disappear, and every operating system become successful. At the end of the day, the users benefit from the competition.
In conclusion, I've just got to say that you shouldn't dislike Windows because it's not free, and remember that competition helps drive innovation. Frankly, I wouldn't want to see any operating system disappear, and every operating system become successful. At the end of the day, the users benefit from the competition.
d0b33
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Maybe software developers should start thinking of a different business model? Just check the story I posted a few posts up. Canonical is making $30mil in revenue a year with a product that is free.
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This is a misconception amongst end users
Canonical, like Red Hat and many others make money from implementing Linux solutions in large organizations, providing training and support, and custom software development. Yes, Ubuntu is free, but other software that they develop is paid for.
Now a small application that you'd install on your computer or mobile phone doesn't require large scale implementation, or training and support, or additional custom software development. So what sort of business model would you suggest we use?
Canonical, like Red Hat and many others make money from implementing Linux solutions in large organizations, providing training and support, and custom software development. Yes, Ubuntu is free, but other software that they develop is paid for.
Now a small application that you'd install on your computer or mobile phone doesn't require large scale implementation, or training and support, or additional custom software development. So what sort of business model would you suggest we use?