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Windows 7 a Linux killer?
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Kalvaer
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Just tested my work system (1.6Ghz Duo core), Total boot time on win7 was 24 seconds
LOL I'm being serious.. Though thinking about it, It was off last year this time for about 3 days, but that was due to a HDD failure and a bad backup policy on my part. (Removing the backup drive over the holidays to take home and backup your stuff at home is never a good idea)Pffft lies all lies!
That kind of reliability only happens with linux servers!!1
/me awaits the hateful responses!
Kalvaer
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It is... Just not for us in SA as we are not the masses
Rocket-Boy
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Kalvaer i feel that,
Most server systems stay up pretty reliably once they are setup right. I admin linux boxes and I love their reliability but I also have 3x 2k3 servers and 6x 2k8 servers and they are all fairly stable.
Ihave also had linux servers down from hardware failure but thats inevitable so it doesnt really count!
Most server systems stay up pretty reliably once they are setup right. I admin linux boxes and I love their reliability but I also have 3x 2k3 servers and 6x 2k8 servers and they are all fairly stable.
Ihave also had linux servers down from hardware failure but thats inevitable so it doesnt really count!
Kalvaer
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And thats because we set them up.. and leave them alone to do their jobs
Most errors and problems I find are somehow related back to the user messing around with settings, or installing software. I can never understand how my system at work runs smoothly with more changes than a 2 week olds nappy, yet other staff always have things break. Though they never did anything, it was like that when they got there in the morning
Once setup right though, most systems run fine other than as we mentioned with hardware failure. Which of course is why macs run so smoothly, they have a certain set of hardware and only have to program for that specific hardware in mind, for PC the OS has to take in thousands of different variations in order to work, and this is true for both Windows and Linux.
Windows IMHO, currently has the best "support" for multiple systems from secondary suppliers, Until the suppliers start designing their hardware with linux in mind or the linux guys get better drivers for a wider range of HW, MS is always going to one step ahead.
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To do what?
Install it? On Ubuntu, it's a double click.
Install drivers? If the drivers are written for Linux, again, just a double click.
Surf the web, check email, do word processing, etc.? No more difficult than in Windows. Easier actually, since the shortcuts in the "Start" menu make more sense.
Well, it's easier than in Windows. In Linux all the apps output to the console, so you get nice detailed error messages. If an app fails in Windows and throws some general error message, you're fooked.
Plus the Linux community is huge. I have still to find a problem that couldn't be fixed by a quick Google search.
I don't have surround sound on my PC, so I can't comment. But surely this has been fixed??
Well, what do you need Direct-X for? If it's for games, well, that's a larger problem for linux than just "No Direct-X". And it's not 100% true that Linux doesn't have Direct-X. Wine supports Direct-X until version 9.
You're doing it wrong! FAIL! etc.
There is no reason for your Linux installation to do random **** without you buggering something up.
To do what?
Install it? On Ubuntu, it's a double click.
Install drivers? If the drivers are written for Linux, again, just a double click.
Surf the web, check email, do word processing, etc.? No more difficult than in Windows. Easier actually, since the shortcuts in the "Start" menu make more sense.
Well, it's easier than in Windows. In Linux all the apps output to the console, so you get nice detailed error messages. If an app fails in Windows and throws some general error message, you're fooked.
Plus the Linux community is huge. I have still to find a problem that couldn't be fixed by a quick Google search.
I don't have surround sound on my PC, so I can't comment. But surely this has been fixed??
Well, what do you need Direct-X for? If it's for games, well, that's a larger problem for linux than just "No Direct-X". And it's not 100% true that Linux doesn't have Direct-X. Wine supports Direct-X until version 9.
You're doing it wrong! FAIL! etc.
There is no reason for your Linux installation to do random **** without you buggering something up.
Touche, that was the last time I gave money to Microsnot and was happy with my investment... I purchase W2K Workstation (x5), W2K Server (x1) W2K Advanced Server (x1)... and when it came time to learning a new server system, I switched to RedHat, then Debian, now I am on ubuntu 8.10 server edition...
Kalvaer
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the IF part.. is the big problem though
The staff at my work will disagree with you, they do it daily on any OS
Yes, but there's only so much Linux can do about that. Linux devs try and code as many generic drivers as they can, but at the end of the day it's the hardware vendor's responsibility.
What if you can't find a driver for Windows? Would you blame MS or the vendor?
Kalvaer
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I make sure if I buy something, that its certified for MS systems (If I'm using it on a MS system). It gets really hard to do that with Linux though. Go to the gigabyte website for 99% of their boards and they say for Linux, please use 3rd party drivers. So the normal buyer is not going to put in any effort.
Which is why I said above, Until the HW manufacturers start making drivers or hardware with linux in mind.. MS will always be ahead and linux will remain a fanbois dream.. I gave up on that dream years ago.
Which is why I said above, Until the HW manufacturers start making drivers or hardware with linux in mind.. MS will always be ahead and linux will remain a fanbois dream.. I gave up on that dream years ago.
Then whatever you are installing probably does not belong in a pc
/Jokes
Only time I have ever seen that happen is to get an updated driver for the newest version of Win, for an piece of hardware that was bought 2 Win versions earlier.
Kloofvreter
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Why, you're not going to buy it anyway. Just the fact that you might use it, doesn't mean you bought it.
Kloofvreter
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The vendor obviously, but the you would have to look at what hardware it is and if you really should have it! Long ago you used to get WinModems, a technology that utilizes your PC's CPU as well, thus making it a cheap modem. But you could ONLY use it in 95/98. Not even in XP/2000.
That_JC
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I know Linux will probably always have it's die-hard following, but I don't think it stood a chance anyway of becoming too main-steam until it's as user-friendly as Windows. (And c'mon, it doesn't come close, GUI and all).
Of course it does. When's the last time you've used it?
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Alastair Otter = linux fanboy?
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Bismuth
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No, EttieneK, they are right, the GUI in Linux is far superior to anything Windows has to offer!
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The only way Wind0$e will ever be able to 'kill of linux' is to be FREE, GRATIS and Good at security with the great Compiz UI mulit touch, I think not and being a user that has long Linux experience parallel to using windo$e ( all versions from win 3.0) and all flava's of unix in between.
The strides made by uBuntu/Fedora and small linux oS's such as puppy/pc linux cannot be discounted. When can you take a 50mb disc and use it to start up your broken windows installation?
Also moving user profiles on linux is only a ten/fifteen min affair whilst with Wind0$e its a anything up to a whole blooming day!
Also the ease of installing safe programs on Linus using any nuimber installers is far more secure and safer than the hap hazard method needed for M$(ANY).
I remind the vociferous WINTEL users that I use this platform everyday but I also love the speed at which Linux boots, the extra boost you get when using wireless over WINTELL versions/all not only this the software is free as in the wind not as in beer.
Whats there to kill? For M$ to KILL ALL / opposition oh grep this lol they would go bankrupt.
Also remember that Linux is OPEN SOURCE.
