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..of course, assuming the files are hosted on an FTP site you know out of your head.Toby said:What is wrong with FTP to start the initial download. Remember it is available as a command from the "Dos Box" Command Window
Or even an option to install/exclude option packages i.e. IE, WMP, Paint, Notepad and Wordpad and give a warning that they should blame the EU if they can't access basic files from the get go.I think the option to UNINSTALL Internet Explorer would have been fine. The european union is going way too far with this now.
stupid moronsAnd so the EU’s pointless vendetta against Microsoft reaches its ridiculous conclusion: Microsoft will now ship Windows 7 in Europe without any web browser whatsoever. The pathetic gripes of a vastly inferior competitor - yes, I’m talking about you Opera - have concluded with the EU making life harder for consumers, PC manufacturers and, ironically, Opera itself.
PC manufacturers will of course bundle a browser with any new Windows 7 PC, and I wouldn’t mind betting that the only browser the vast majority will choose to bundle is Internet Explorer.
And what about people who buy Windows 7 off the shelf? A spokesperson for Microsoft Europe said the company will provide a free IE8 CD-ROM with every retail copy of Windows 7. So the company’s still effectively bundling IE8 - it’s just making consumers jump through a few more hoops to install the browser. Utterly, utterly pointless.
However, the real pain is reserved for people who are buying Windows 7 as an upgrade. Previously you’ve been able to upgrade in place, meaning that all your Vista applications (including the browser) and data would be carried over to the new operating system. Microsoft says this won’t now be possible. “The E [European] version will require a clean install,” the Microsoft spokesman told us. “You’ll need to rebuild the default settings after installation.”
Unbelievably, the EU has still taken umbrage at Microsoft’s decision to hobble its own operating system. “Microsoft has apparently decided to supply retail consumers with a version of Windows without a web browser at all,” the Eurocrats claim in a statement. “Rather than more choice, Microsoft seems to have chosen to provide less.”
Yes, Microsoft could have chosen to bundle every browser under the sun with Windows, but even Firefox executives admit there’s no “good way” of doing that. So what was Microsoft meant to do? Bundle IE8 again and wait for the inevitable multi-million fine? Or take the scalpel out?
The EU and Opera have got exactly what they asked for. Let’s see what good it does them.
As an EU citizenship holder I support the EC on this. This is no different to having your PC maker put desktop links to browsers or preload them except - duh oh - these are FREE (unless the OEM wants to skin them).
Not enough. That requires you to still realise that IE is not the best and only browser out there, realise that you can do an UNINSTALL and bother to do it.I think the option to UNINSTALL Internet Explorer would have been fine. The european union is going way too far with this now.
Well i remember those days too, and i don't miss them. This is exactly why i feel overall it's a step backwards, literally back to Windows 3.1 .PeterCH said:Maybe I don't mind so much because I remember computers when there were no browsers - back in the days of Win 3.1x, NT 3.5 and 95, there were no browsers. You had to get one and you usually got it with the ISP CD
or you downloaded it elsewhere and brought it along on a floppy.
Microsoft vs. the EU: When Antitrust is Anti-Competitive
In this obsolete antitrust war, Microsoft's argument has always been correct, and has in fact been proved in the market. The Microsoft position has been that Windows does not represent a proper monopoly because any user can re-format their PC and install a competitor -- or can simply choose an alternative system, such as an Apple system running Mac OS X. Further, Microsoft has argued, the ease of installing an alternative browser greatly diminishes the advantage of bundling.
Microsoft has claimed that as soon as someone offered a superior OS or a superior browser, Microsoft would lose market share. And this is exactly what has taken place.
And what about browsers? As this chart shows, people are choosing Firefox, Safari and Chrome over the bundled IE at ever-increasing rates. Current trends will make IE the number-two browser (after Firefox) in two or three years. More importantly, bundling has not enabled Microsoft to unfairly block competitors from eating its market share. Just like Microsoft said.
Clearly bundling gives Microsoft an advantage. But it's a comparable advantage to Apple's bundling of Safari on both Mac OS X and iPhone, and possibly even of Google app integration with Android.
Yes, MS prevented it. When you already have one browser, why install a second one?OEMs/Retailers could have done what you described ALREADY, they could've bundled every browser in their images and smacked zillion links on your desktop or even pre-install it...THEY DIDN'T! Who's fault is that? Did Microsoft prevent it? If so, then they could have addressed it differently without inconveniencing most average users.
Yes, except it's still going to be IE, Microsoft is obviously going to provide it in the box or in a seperate box , nicely packaged for the OEM/Retailer. The OEM/Retailer isn't gonna do a thing about it [why would they?] and they're just going to pass it along to us. Will Opera add their little bundle in there? They could've done so already, why didn't they? Will Mozilla? I highly doubt it, it'll be part of an open source bundle which is again up to a OEM/Open Source Group to provide..if they don't...guess what , that IE disc will be there anyway...Yes, MS prevented it. When you already have one browser, why install a second one?
MS sinned. It had to be punished. The EC couldn't let it get away without some punishment because without discipline irresponsible people (corporations) will continue to act irresponsibly and abuse their position. I honestly, and not speaking here as someone who's sick of MS BS over the decades, do not think this should be inconvenient, either a browser will already come pre-installed or it will be present on the hard drive and an icon on the desktop will allow you to install it - that will take an extra 2-3 clicks and possibly 1-2 minutes.
Well this is MS response to the EC action. The EC wanted MS to offer a Wizard with multiple browser options, instead MS is weaseling out of this by getting rid of IE. You're right that some OEMs can be intimidated into bundling IE or Windows itself can have periodic popups offering to install IE or download it and install it.Yes, except it's still going to be IE, Microsoft is obviously going to provide it in the box or in a seperate box , nicely packaged for the OEM/Retailer. The OEM/Retailer isn't gonna do a thing about it [why would they?] and they're just going to pass it along to us. Will Opera add their little bundle in there? They could've done so already, why didn't they? Will Mozilla? I highly doubt it, it'll be part of an open source bundle which is again up to a OEM/Open Source Group to provide..if they don't...guess what , that IE disc will be there anyway...
Na it will different I presume as each will now have include an additional pieces or I guess Microsoft might include the core but not the user interface.Mayb I'm mistaken but there is a possible problem.
There are alot of applications (such as installers and the CHM help files) that require some of the core features in IE. Otherwise they just dont work.
Don't believe me, uninstall your IE, reboot and than try to install or uninstall a program made for windows.
Are you seriously suggesting that we revert to the days of building and restoring drivers yourself?Maybe I don't mind so much because I remember computers when there were no browsers - back in the days of Win 3.1x, NT 3.5 and 95, there were no browsers. You had to get one and you usually got it with the ISP CD or you downloaded it elsewhere and brought it along on a floppy.
This is basically what the EU wanted to do, bundle alternative browsers. It was MS's choice to remove the browser completely.Opera could strike a deal with PC suppliers to offer Opera as an optional install.
Moving forward would be including a selection of browsers - removing all browsers is a step backwards.We should be moving forward not backwards as you suggest.