Windows 7 to redeem Vista?

friedpiggy said:
Ok since you say theres nothing really wrong with vista try this one.

Connect to a Cisco router using Vista.

Tell me again after you try that little common task that theres nothing wrong with it.

Vista is fine if you only use your computer to switch on and not do anything. As soon as you start trying to play a game (half of them wont run as they not compatible) or do anything really you start hitting issues. And dont even get me started on the DRM built into the pos.

One other thing. A clean install of XP SP2 uses about 400 MB of RAM, this is fine. A clean install of Vista idles at over 1.6 GB. 4 x more than XP, that i am sorry is just absolute carp. they can take vista and shove it somewhere thesun dont shine
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Don't know what's up with your pc, but my Vista SP1 idles at about 512mb of ram.
 
Slootvreter said:
It's not off the mark. It's been done many times. And BTW, let's wait for Windows 7 and see what people say...
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How so? Which many times? Everything I have ever read on this board was supported with reasons why people disliked various products.... and not one of them was ever "oh, because it is Microsoft". I don't recall anyone ever saying that without ever offering a supporting reason at the same time. You ARE off the mark... now drop it please.
 
I'm surprised you can run Vista with only 512 ... I tried and gave up very quickly.

Microsoft seem to be missing the point ... and operating system is supposed to sit in the background and optimise resources for applications to use ... not to hog the majority of the resources for itself.

What size is a barebones Vista install anyways?
 
Garyvdh said:
How so? Which many times? Everything I have ever read on this board was supported with reasons why people disliked various products.... and not one of them was ever "oh, because it is Microsoft". I don't recall anyone ever saying that without ever offering a supporting reason at the same time. You ARE off the mark... now drop it please.
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I am honestly not going through every post and thread and count now. One example is the IE vs FF thread...
 
I can't see why people hate Vista so much. I use Ultimate x64 SP1, and it runs like a charm. Yes, a few software programs won't run, and there are a few issues, but really, it's a good operating system. I'm able to run up to 4 virtual machines at once, which eats up all the ram my system has, yet in the background, Vista stays responsive and snappy. XP would be dead by then, and I know this from personal testing.
 
friedpiggy said:
Ok since you say theres nothing really wrong with vista try this one.

Connect to a Cisco router using Vista.

Tell me again after you try that little common task that theres nothing wrong with it.

Vista is fine if you only use your computer to switch on and not do anything. As soon as you start trying to play a game (half of them wont run as they not compatible) or do anything really you start hitting issues. And dont even get me started on the DRM built into the pos.

One other thing. A clean install of XP SP2 uses about 400 MB of RAM, this is fine. A clean install of Vista idles at over 1.6 GB. 4 x more than XP, that i am sorry is just absolute carp. they can take vista and shove it somewhere thesun dont shine
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Connect using what program on what type of interface? I connect to Cisco routers often using putty, connecting via the serial cable or ssh interfaces, no probs.

DRM (with regards to media) has not affected me yet, then again I don't have a Blu-Ray drive. Anything alse I do media wise (DVD, audio) works flawlessly. Ripping, encoding, playback.... How has DRM affected you?

As for games, ALL my games work fine. UT 3, The orange box, Spore, Sins Of A Solar Empire, Gears Of War. Older games work fine as well even MDK installed and worked fine. Half of games once again sounds like a figure pulled out of the air.

Comparing a clean install of Vista and XP doesn't say much. Vista (as with Linux), will sometimes use all available memory to keep data and libraries cached. The real trick is to see how often swap gets used, then you know there are problems. XP also does this, but to a lesser extent. Vista will release cached resources when it needs to.Vista and XP's kernels work slightly differently. It's like comparing the XP kernel with 2K.
 
BlaQ_PhoeniX said:
Should I remember you that there is this language called English? Do you speak it?

Anyway... Don't know why they're building on Vista when they should actually be building on XP.
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I think you missed the part where he used his quotee's grammar mistake :p
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Vista already has a performance issue where it wants a nice pc to be able to run everything well. Windows 7 is going to be a heck of a lot more resource intensive and being a "refresh of Vista" won't justify this one bit...
 
The problem with Microsoft and the new OS's they deliver is that they think they can hide bugs and other issues with the use of eye candy.
 
My problem with Vista is not Vista. I like using XP and I bought a lot of software for XP and now those software / hardware combos does not work on Vista, so I want to continue using XP but M$ is trying to force me to upgrade i.e. spent R 1000+ on a product I do not want since the one I have works fine, and as soon as I install Vista I have to buy my hardware again since they came out with XP drivers that is not compatible on Vista, so for me an upgrade to Vista is a R 5000+ exercise.

So the pirates are happy, they just torrent the latest apps but the buying customer needs to go out and buy the same software / hardware again but this time Vista compatible ones.

That is my objection to Vista and Windows 7 and Microsoft in general.
 
I understand where windows is coming from and their intend for future release versions (security and stable), but the way they are doing it is wrong. Maybe that helps with marketing. They should just force all the changes in one go, but they don't want to, maybe they want to have a bad OS, so that the next one can stomp the previous OS. Like car manufacturers, they could give us the technology now, but instead they drag it out over decades, so that they still have an income. :rolleyes:
 
@w1z4rd

Yup, I concur, Windows7 very snappy, very responsive. Pre-release and beta very stable. It is a pleasure to use thus far. Vista beta1-RC2 were horrid! Unstable and virtually unusable... Win7 seems solid and is a pleasure to use.... even on notebooks that struggle with Vista, 7 trots along quiet happy and snappy.

I think many will do the XP to 7 jump, and like me, ignore Vista if possible.
 
snappy sounds like its going to break in two.. xD
 
chubster said:
Like car manufacturers, they could give us the technology now, but instead they drag it out over decades, so that they still have an income. :rolleyes:
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Or nokia - they have been dragging us along for years!

make a phone with radio, next phone, no radio - make on with a torch, next one, no torch. they spread the features out so you will never have a phone with everything you need, and lasts forever...

i gave up the phone thing long ago.
 
From what I have seen Win 7 is a major upgrade from Vista, I currenlty run Vista Ultimate and have 0 issues with it! But I will definately be going over to win 7 when the final is released!
 
One of my friends in another town went and forked out 25grand (crazy i know) for a top of the range Acer notebooks ("portable computer") - 4gb ram, core2duo 2.6ghz cpu , 320gb hdd , 9700m gt gfx.

I must honestly say - this notebook is crushed by vista (business ed.) ...

I've removed norton systemworks and alot other apps - perhaps 5-10% improvement.

2 Days later guy got fed up with slowish performance and loaded Xp Pro sp3 and VERY happy with performance and framerate increase (all in all - about 20-30% better)
 
Just a heads up for nvidia/notebook/vista combos:

My HP 8710W (Nvidia Quadro FX1600) was terrible with Vista (Aero switched on), and it turns out that the Nvidia drivers will sometime scale down the GPU even when plugged into AC. The drivers would ramp performance as soon as it was required, but this caused terrible animations/window switching in Vista.

A registry hack to the drivers fixed the problem, so that the card stays properly clocked when plugged into AC. Perfectly smooth now. This is also an issue with the Nvidia drivers under Linux, and brings me to my second point: A lot of the problems in Vista have been caused by bad drivers and/or software.
 
I think I'll wait til Windows 7 has been on the shelves a while before making any final judgements ... as it was I only switched to XP well after SP2.

Nothing about Vista so far has convinced me to switch over to it just yet.
 
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