Windows 7 to ship with Internet Explorer

porchrat said:
Because the browser should in no way be connected to the OS because they are two separate products, therefore one should not be allowed to unfairly piggyback off another.
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Really? Says who?
What Law of the Universe or Justice or Whatever are you quoting?
Should! Should! Should! What a giveaway.
 
The_Librarian said:
M$ thought themselves above the law.

Which is wrong, and this sort of attitude stifles competition, and encourages monopolistic practices.
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Really how so?

You can install any browser out there on windows. Microsoft has an OS that from the time you load it up you can:

Get on the internet
setup your email
play movies and music

Basically they call it an operating system so one can operate without having to go find other programs. Not everyone wants to find a program for email, internet and music, they are more than free to do so should they choose to.

You can calculate things in windows, maybe we should stop them incorporating stuff like the calculator and paint because it is no good for competition.
 
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lcbxx said:
Funny how many people don't realise this. To download another browser, you need a current browser installed.
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Not really. You can use a widget or a small, dedicate one-time browser. I wrote one in Java long ago. It was only a few lines of code.

I can feel a large EU fine coming on for MS.:(
 
Arthur said:
Yes, we always wanted to live in a society with 'local laws' about what browsers people can bundle with their operating systems. The Europeans have flirted with tyranny for centuries, and it's incipient...

BTW, Microsoft broke no such laws. The 'findings' are ex post facto. The EC 'findings' about anti-competitive practices are immoral and unjust. It's not just me - several EC commissioners throught the same. We've covered this ground before, so I won't be drawn further. I guess it comes down to what you think governments are for. Ever read "Atlas Shrugged"?

Edit: As for tyranny - yes this is not repression for most people, just Microsoft. But that's how it starts. There's an important principle at stake. Remember the song about "They came for the Negroes, I said/did nothing ... Jews ... Catholics ... me".

Back to topic.
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Governments are there to protect the people (consumers) from the excesses of corporate greed and corruption. MS exerts extreme dominance in the market and we need appropriate checks and balances.
 
LOL! Awesome to have a choice, but imagine the hassle to get a browser of your choice onto a new pc if you don't already have a browser on the pc. :D I suspect tons of people would have to go knock on the neighbours door and ask with a flash drive in hand for a copy of their preferred browser first...
 
That is the problem, all the nooblets will have no clue what to do. Microsoft should stand their ground on this one as it is idiotic in my opinion.

Microsoft actually make nothing off internet explorer, i wonder if they even care what browser people use.
 
killadoob said:
That is the problem, all the nooblets will have no clue what to do. Microsoft should stand their ground on this one as it is idiotic in my opinion.

Microsoft actually make nothing off internet explorer, i wonder if they even care what browser people use.
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:) I am sure they make money somehow. I think the default search engine and stuff allow them advertising revenue...
 
Some comments from /. illustrating some of the abuses MS perpetrated:

Rewriting history much ? In October 1998, Internet Explorer barely had 40% (source : http://www.cc.gatech.edu/gvu/user_surveys/survey-1998-10/graphs/technology/q41.htm [gatech.edu]). It plummets from there, and many sites report that by the beginning of 1999, IE had jumped to over 60%. Windows 98 bundling didn't help uh ? You guys ignoring history is very funny. It used to be Browsers could get bundling deals with ISP. Windows 98 pretty much ended the need for ISP "install disks" and pushed Internet Explorer unto the users. The DOJ agrees, trying to say it ain't so 10 years later doesn't change the facts.
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http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1323195&cid=28923249

They've already been bitten by that one. They blocked all browsers except IE [news.com] from accessing MSN.com. After two days of people making noise about it they let everyone view MSN again.

Did they learn? No. Less than two years later [cnet.com] they served a stylesheet to Opera (and only to Opera, other browsers received a working stylesheet and IE had its own) that deliberately broke the display of the page. They served Opera the IE stylesheet, which displayed fine, after some more complaints.

Was that enough for them? No, they tried again with hotmail. They sent Opera an incomplete javascript file [opera.com] that was missing a required function to empty the junk e-mail. Other browsers were sent a different javascript file.

I don't think they'd dare try again with how closely the EU is monitoring them now.
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http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1323195&cid=28920703
 
killadoob said:
That is the problem, all the nooblets will have no clue what to do. Microsoft should stand their ground on this one as it is idiotic in my opinion.

Microsoft actually make nothing off internet explorer, i wonder if they even care what browser people use.
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Errr ... they are EXTREMELY concerned. It has been a very expensive exercise for MS too.
 
eltherza said:
Will Apple/Macs have to offer Firefox/IE7/chrome on their OSes?
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Probably not, they aren't dominant in the OS market for their tying practices to have as big an effect as Microsoft's do. I wish they would be forced too though.
 
Its silly to bother microsoft to remove IE. It doesn't hurt anything. they make the OS they should be free to do as they like with it. Don't like it don't use it. Free Market Please!?
 
Curtix2 said:
Its silly to bother microsoft to remove IE. It doesn't hurt anything. they make the OS they should be free to do as they like with it. Don't like it don't use it. Free Market Please!?
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It would be a free market if MS was not a monopoly. The people of Europe don't want that and MS has to obey or get the heck out. Since they threatened to pull jobs out of the USA too, I don't know where they'd go - probably China till that country gets strong enough to one day take MS over.
 
Curtix2 said:
Its silly to bother microsoft to remove IE. It doesn't hurt anything. they make the OS they should be free to do as they like with it. Don't like it don't use it. Free Market Please!?
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It sounds like you have quite a simplistic understanding of how a monopolistic company operates. If we remove IE, we get trouble. We don't have a choice ATM.
 
Linux FTW?
And if you want to start an company and make and OS and compete with Microsoft go ahead. No one is stopping you, thats all I am saying. I myself have a mixture of Linux, Unix, Microsoft, and Mac. So I am not monopolized. (side note - every time my iTunes updates it automatically tries to install Safari - should we get pitchforks now?)
 
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