Windows 8: one step forward, two steps back (Column)

Matsepane said:
I dumped Internet Explorer long ago.prefer Grome or Opera.
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100% of non-retarded people I know do the same.
I will give IE credit where it's due though, if anything doesn't work on any of my 3 alternative browsers, it works in IE.

/derail
 
RaptorSA said:
I'm so sick of hearing about Android...

*throws frustrating Galaxy S paperweight against the wall*
*looks at Win8 Dev Edition suspending unused background Metro applications perfectly*
*smiles*
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Normal joe fail, we can't escape the lunacy. However without the n00b the nerds won't have something to make their world go upside down ;)
 
Pr⊕phet said:
Normal joe fail, we can't escape the lunacy. However without the n00b the nerds won't have something to make their world go upside down ;)
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Say what you will, but one of Android's biggest advantages is also one of its biggest failures. Well, to me personally anyway. The time I have to spend managing apps. on my Android so they don't turn my phone into something resembling a gaming notebook's battery life is ridiculous, not to mention it's a hit-and-miss affair.
Downloading a 5-star app. for pinging IP's, only to find out it's a badly designed textbox with an "OK" button that spits out raw wordrapped text onto a crappy background is part of the "little" things that doesn't help to improve my perception of the supposed "freedom" that open source provides.

The article focuses a lot on on the "limits" of quality control in an app store... Really?!? Does the exclusion of a vote-for-boobs or a porn app. every now and then truly outweigh the advantages of having standards and consistency?
I know, it's a tough question, or is it?
 
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You cannot do away with Metro unless using a registry hack (which may or may not work for the retail). Going out of Metro normally puts you back into Metro anytime you try and do ANYTHING like say.......open the start menu. 8 seems to think tablets first and desktops last.
 
Basjohn said:
You cannot do away with Metro unless using a registry hack (which may or may not work for the retail). Going out of Metro normally puts you back into Metro anytime you try and do ANYTHING like say.......open the start menu. 8 seems to think tablets first and desktops last.
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And you based this on a milestone 3 build? what if the RTM has the ability to do so?

RaptorSA said:
Say what you will, but one of Android's biggest advantages is also one of its biggest failures. Well, to me personally anyway. The time I have to spend managing apps. on my Android so they don't turn my phone into something resembling a gaming notebook's battery life is ridiculous, not to mention it's a hit-and-miss affair.

The article focuses a lot on on the "limits" of quality control in an app store... Really?!? Does the exclusion of a vote-for-boobs or a porn app. every now and then truly outweigh the advantages of having standards and consistency?
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Not like I was disagreeing at all with your points and previous ones.
 
Pr⊕phet said:
Not like I was disagreeing at all with your points and previous ones.
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Sorry dude, my bad. I was consuming Red Wine while constantly being in the mood for an online techno-battle (it happens). It's just that Vodacom online tells me I have 1.3 years left on my current phone contract and I'm so incredibly disappointed with my Galaxy Android that I can't help getting emotional about it.
:D
 
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RaptorSA said:
Sorry dude, my bad. I was consuming Red Wine while constantly being in the mood for an online techno-battle (it happens). It's just that Vodacom online tells me I have 1.3 years left on my current phone contract and I'm so incredibly disappointed with my Galaxy Android that I can't help getting emotional about it.
:D
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/pats good olde iphone with good olde set standards with good olde consistency :p
 
The main people that should be worried are the Windows PC enthusiasts. Microsoft specify as a condition of Windows 8 certification that the hardware ships with the UEFI secure boot enabled. This will apply to both built-up PCs and motherboards. This means that when the user tries to install a different graphics card it will not work if the signing keys for this specific hardware are not already pre-installed. The default UEFI option will not allow this user to install the extra signing keys. Microsoft may be happy to leave things this way since their business model is more dependant on console sales than watching gamers spend their money on other companies.

The Linux people will most likely get by with clean installs of the OS, it will be the dual boot installations that will be a problem.

After using the Windows 8 DP for a while I feel that this OS offers relatively little over Win 7 compared to what it may take away from the enthusiast user if these certification issues are not changed.
 
The_Librarian said:
Then explain what secure boot is all about. This is clearly aimed at locking Linux (and other alternative OS'es) out.

Microsoft haven't changed their spots.
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Man, mostly when you setup linux you have to buy the right hardware to get it running anyways. If someone tech savvy knows he's going to run linux... why would he buy a machine with secure boot? Are these tech savvy people that retarded?
 
@garyc, you do know this was only a preview which is not even a "release build", but still at milestone stages?

_TrXtR_ said:
Man, mostly when you setup linux you have to buy the right hardware to get it running anyways. If someone tech savvy knows he's going to run linux... why would he buy a machine with secure boot? Are these tech savvy people that retarded?
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Just andriod fanbois ;)
 
Pr⊕phet said:
/pats good olde iphone with good olde set standards with good olde consistency :p
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This.
It's amazing how much "freedom" the average person is willing to give up for those attributes...for a damn good reason.
If once, only once I can find a respectable "open source" pundit that's willing to accept that and criticize the current lack thereof in the open source community I'd drop my trolling tendencies in a heartbeat and take the topic a lot more seriously.
 
RaptorSA said:
This.
It's amazing how much "freedom" the average person is willing to give up for those attributes...for a damn good reason.
If once, only once I can find a respectable "open source" pundit that's willing to accept that and criticize the current lack thereof in the open source community I'd drop my trolling tendencies in a heartbeat and take the topic a lot more seriously.
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Apparently the open app market is cesspit for piracy...
 
Pr⊕phet said:
Apparently the open app market is cesspit for piracy...
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I'm not about to start throwing stones about this, I've pirated tons of stuff myself.
The difference is when you grow up and get a job you don't mind paying for software anymore (as long as it's reasonable, easy etc. of course). I guess I'd be a bit more worried if I was still a student trying to get to learn the products etc.
MS stuff can be really expensive, but one thing I've always appreciated from them is the fact that they've always had a way for someone to get free/cheap access to their products as long as there's a definite interest. Of course, OS piracy is something else. I'm sure there's no reason to freak out though... Pirates have, and probably always will win.
 
Not sure about the secure boot excluding other operating systems. My MacBook Pro is a dual boot Mac / Win8 machine.
 
recre8 said:
Agree. On Linux, user freedom comes in the form of a text editor, thousands of config files, man pages, internet searches resulting in posts with smug "how could you not know that" responses, compiling your own applications from source code as a manner of "installation", and a number of MyBroadband users which are about to crucify me for saying this and telling me that there is some slick new dialog for that in Ubuntu 197.10124 or whatever.
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another user who's opinion on linux is based on the October 6, 1991 version
 
ave said:
another user who's opinion on linux is based on the October 6, 1991 version
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Naah, more like 2010, making it even more indigestible.

Fair is fair though, Linux has come a long way, but it's never reached a point where mass desktop adoption makes it more adequate, and no, I don't care about the history etc. It's like trying to dwell on modern issues by blaming apartheid. (jaja, I know, many people who knows it will kick my ass saying this). Point is, the only reason Ubuntu (for instance) is such a massive success is because it's an ongoing more-or-less standardized version of Linux that has the ongoing support from a single entity.... like we've had in stuff like Windows an Mac for ages, good or bad.

It's not Linux that pisses me off, it's the fragmentation that comes from the fundamental idea that causes it. For instance, you could probably give me a hundred reasons why Linux won't run modern games (DirectX bla bla bla), all of those reasons will most probably be valid, do they solve my initial problem though? No.

My fundamental problem with the Open Source concept is that it allows anyone to earn a certain level of respect and exposure based on effort alone. Reality doesn't work that way. I'd rather peer at digital information through a capitalistically but relevantly constrained market filtered pinhole than have it be bastardized by people's own biased version of their own self importance and relevance, software design and inception is one of the few areas where we as humans have complete control over the principles that forms its basis, adding "freedom" to the concept adds a lot of different outcomes and implementations, most of which are too complex to understand by the average person, making it almost irrelevant in terms of importance and influence.

Disregarding the "average" person as unimportant and uninfluential is a massive mistake that especially us geeks like to make.
 
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"Android has shown the world that an open approach isn’t just an ideal, it’s a fundamental requirement for the success of a modern operating system.

Apple’s iOS remains the king when it comes to the OS of desire, but Android has completely dominated the mobile arena simply because it works very well on the cheapest to the most advanced devices."

The article starts out with this quoted bit. What utter load of rubbish cause anyone that makes the above statement clearly has no idea what is happening in the mobile space. The real truth is that Apple is in fact completely dominant by several light years in everything mobile concerning the quoted bit up here. "it works very well on the cheapest devices" Andrew Craucamp, get a grip and take your head out of that open source black hole, it's doing your head in! Have you tried using Android on a cheap device? I'd rather have a Nokia 3210 than use a cheap mobile android device.

Just felt like ranting about it, cause quite frankly most people have torn this article apart already with very good reason! The opening lines just nail it already that it's rubbish.

MyBB, don't post article by silly people.
 
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