Windows: It's Over - ZDNet Article

Microsoft should have taken the same approach as Volkswagen & Audi....you don't make radical and sweeping changes to your "cash cows", but rather small changes to make it appealing to upgrade, but not the end of the world.

Windows 8 is just way too radical for normal users, especially the fact that the touchscreen format does not bring ANY benefits to a user with a non-touch desktop/notebook pc.

There is absolutely NO value in upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 8. In fact, the opposite is true - Microsoft removes your Start Menu, goes and hide your Power settings so deep that you don't even know how to switch off your own pc, etc.

Microsoft should go to the Volkswagen group and learn from them how it's done.

I suspect Windows 7 will be the last big OS from Microsoft. I'm actually very excited about Chrome OS and Android coming together in the future.
 
Windows 8 is potentially a speed bump for MS, yes... but the end of Windows (or the start of the end), not a chance in hell.

You're probably right but it may not always be so. Being a de facto standard will not save them if they fail to adapt correctly to change. Empires are the sport of time.
 
I don't understand Microsoft's fixation with trying to create identical UI's for different devices. I would have thought that 100% interoperability between devices would be the imperative.

Users would easily learn how to use the UI on each device as long as it has equivalent buttons, using the same icons.

This technique would allow developers customise their product for the device upon which it's installed, which in turn would provide for the best user experience.
 
I didn't get the sense from the article that I posted that the entire Windows Eco-system is coming to an end.
If that's what you got from the author, then I agree he is wrong.
I simply see it as him saying that Windows 8 is on a dead end road, and they need to catch a serious wake up and abandon it or fix it.
That's all.
 
Windows won't just die as it is propelled by big companies
This. Excel still pulverizes all competition. Outlook & exchange is the de facto standard when it comes to business email. Those two alone will keep Windows afloat.

I can see companies sticking to win 7 for a loooooong time though...
 
I didn't get the sense from the article that I posted that the entire Windows Eco-system is coming to an end.
If that's what you got from the author, then I agree he is wrong.
I simply see it as him saying that Windows 8 is on a dead end road, and they need to catch a serious wake up and abandon it or fix it.
That's all.

Go Go Windows 9! If history is anything to go by it's gonna be epic.
 
If you dress a turd up in a suit, it remains just a turd in a suit. So, no matter what UI is used to dress Windows, no matter how pretty, glossy or Metro it's dressed, it remains Windows... the reason I personally moved on to OS X and never looked back. Ok, I did, but that lasted a week before giving my Win8 license away... to someone who used it for 2 weeks and reverted to 7. That and we have PC's at work to do mundane Office stuff on.
 
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Never liked Windows. I purchased a laptop this week, and Since it comes with Windows 8 I figured i'd check it out before loading Linux....what a horrible experience. As for gnome, always been a KDE fan, become more of a KDE fan when they released Gnome "shell"
 
Its an all out assault on Microsoft. We are moving away from them being the dominant force in the computing world, they will still be a major force but they are not going to be the main ou any more.
That's been happening for ten years and will still be happening in another ten years.
 
If you dress a turd up in a suit, it remains just a turd in a suit. So, no matter what UI is used to dress Windows, no matter how pretty, glossy or Metro it's dressed, it remains Windows... the reason I personally moved on to OS X and never looked back. Ok, I did, but that lasted a week before giving my Win8 license away... to someone who used it for 2 weeks and reverted to 7. That and we have PC's at work to do mundane Office stuff on.

Never liked Windows. I purchased a laptop this week, and Since it comes with Windows 8 I figured i'd check it out before loading Linux....what a horrible experience. As for gnome, always been a KDE fan, become more of a KDE fan when they released Gnome "shell"

Instead of just talking through my hat, let me give you a few tangible drawbacks of the alternative to Windows :

- No stability, bugs, regressions, regressions and regressions: There's an incredible amount of regressions (both in the kernel and in user space applications) when things which used to work break inexplicably, some of regressions can even lead to data loss. Basically there is no quality control (QA/QC) and regression testing in most Open Source projects (including the kernel) - Microsoft, for instance, reports that Windows 8 recieved 1,240,000,000 hours of testing whereas new kernel releases get, I guess, under 10,000 hours of testing - and every Linux kernel release is comparable to a new Windows version. Serious bugs which impede normal workflow can take years to be resolved. A lot of crucial hardware (e.g. GPUs, Wi-Fi cards) isn't properly supported.

- Hardware issues: Under Linux many devices and devices features are still poorly supported or not supported at all. Some hardware (e.g. Broadcom Wi-Fi adapters) cannot be used unless you already have a working Internet connection. New hardware often becomes supported months after introduction. Specialized software to manage devices like printers, scanners, cameras, webcams, audio players, smartphones, etc. almost always just doesn't exist - so you won't be able to fully control your new iPad and update firmware on your Galaxy SIII. Linux graphics support is a big bloody mess because kernel/X.org APIs/ABIs constantly change and NVIDIA/ATI/Broadcom/etc. companies don't want to allocate extra resources and waste their money just to keep up with an insane rate of changes in the Open Source software.

- The lack of standardization, fragmentation, unwarranted & excessive variety: Too many Linux distributions with incompatible and dissimilar configurations, packaging systems and incompatible libraries. Different distros employ totally different desktop environments, different graphical and console applications for configuring your computer settings. E.g. Debian based distros oblige you to use the strictly text based `dpkg-reconfigure` utility for certain system related maintenance tasks.

- The lack of cooperation between open source developers and internal wars: There's no central body to organize the development of different parts of the open source stack which often leads to a situation when one project introduces changes which break other projects (this problem is also reflected in "Unstable APIs/ABIs" below). Even though the Open Source movement lacks manpower, different Linux distros find enough resources to fork projects (Gentoo developers are going to develop a udev alternative; a discord in ffmpeg which led to the emergence of libav; a situation around OpenOffice/LibreOffice; a new X.org/Wayland alternative - Mir) and to use own solutions (Ubuntu won't use systemd).

- A lot of rapid changes: Most Linux distros have very short upgrade/release cycles (as short as six months in some cases, or e.g. Arch which is a rolling distro, or Fedora which gets updated every six months), thus you are constantly bombarded with changes you don't expect or don't want. LTS (long term support) distros are in most cases unsuitable for the desktop users due to the policy of preserving applications versions (and usually there's no officially approved way to install bleeding edge applications - please, don't remind me of PPAs and backports - these hacks are not officially supported, nor guaranteed to work) Another show-stopping problem for LTS distros is that LTS kernels often do not support new hardware - i.e. a new Intel Atom IC is only supported well by Linux kernel 3.5 - no LTS distro has this kernel.

- Unstable APIs/ABIs & the lack of real compatibility: It's very difficult to use old open and closed source software in new distros (in many cases it becomes impossible due to changes in core Linux components like kernel, GCC or glibc). Almost non-existent backwards compatibility makes it incredibly difficult and costly to create closed source applications for Linux distros. Open Source software which doesn't have active developers or maintainers gets simply dropped if its dependencies cannot be satisfied because older libraries have become obsolete and they are no longer available. For this reason for instance a lot of KDE3/Qt3 applications are not available in modern Linux distros even though alternatives do not exist. Developing drivers out of the main Linux kernel tree is an excruciating and expensive chore.

- Software issues: Very few games and very few AAA games (Humble Indie Bundles and Oil Rush - two independent, very rare occurrences - in 2012-2013 joined by few Valve/Steam titles (vs. thousands of games released for Windows every year) don't really count), no familiar Windows software, no Microsoft Office (LibreOffice still has major troubles opening correctly Microsoft Office produced documents), no native CIFS (simple to use, password protected and encrypted network file sharing) equivalent, no Active Directory or its equivalent.

- Money, enthusiasm, motivation and responsibility: I predicted years ago that FOSS developers would start drifting away from the platform as FOSS is no longer a playground, it requires substantial efforts and time, i.e. the fun is over, developers want real money to get the really hard work done. FOSS development, which lacks financial backing, shows its fatigue and disillusionment. The FOSS platform after all requires financially motivated developers as underfunded projects start to wane and critical bugs stay open for years. One could say "Good riddance", but the problem is that oftentimes those dying projects have no alternatives or similarly featured successors.

- No polish, no consistency and no HIG adherence (even KDE developers admit it).

More at the source of the above
 
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Instead of just talking through my hat, let me give you a few tangible drawbacks of the alternative to Windows :

- No stability, bugs, regressions, regressions and regressions: There's an incredible amount of regressions (both in the kernel and in user space applications) when things which used to work break inexplicably, some of regressions can even lead to data loss. Basically there is no quality control (QA/QC) and regression testing in most Open Source projects (including the kernel) - Microsoft, for instance, reports that Windows 8 recieved 1,240,000,000 hours of testing whereas new kernel releases get, I guess, under 10,000 hours of testing - and every Linux kernel release is comparable to a new Windows version. Serious bugs which impede normal workflow can take years to be resolved. A lot of crucial hardware (e.g. GPUs, Wi-Fi cards) isn't properly supported.

- Hardware issues: Under Linux many devices and devices features are still poorly supported or not supported at all. Some hardware (e.g. Broadcom Wi-Fi adapters) cannot be used unless you already have a working Internet connection. New hardware often becomes supported months after introduction. Specialized software to manage devices like printers, scanners, cameras, webcams, audio players, smartphones, etc. almost always just doesn't exist - so you won't be able to fully control your new iPad and update firmware on your Galaxy SIII. Linux graphics support is a big bloody mess because kernel/X.org APIs/ABIs constantly change and NVIDIA/ATI/Broadcom/etc. companies don't want to allocate extra resources and waste their money just to keep up with an insane rate of changes in the Open Source software.

- The lack of standardization, fragmentation, unwarranted & excessive variety: Too many Linux distributions with incompatible and dissimilar configurations, packaging systems and incompatible libraries. Different distros employ totally different desktop environments, different graphical and console applications for configuring your computer settings. E.g. Debian based distros oblige you to use the strictly text based `dpkg-reconfigure` utility for certain system related maintenance tasks.

- The lack of cooperation between open source developers and internal wars: There's no central body to organize the development of different parts of the open source stack which often leads to a situation when one project introduces changes which break other projects (this problem is also reflected in "Unstable APIs/ABIs" below). Even though the Open Source movement lacks manpower, different Linux distros find enough resources to fork projects (Gentoo developers are going to develop a udev alternative; a discord in ffmpeg which led to the emergence of libav; a situation around OpenOffice/LibreOffice; a new X.org/Wayland alternative - Mir) and to use own solutions (Ubuntu won't use systemd).

- A lot of rapid changes: Most Linux distros have very short upgrade/release cycles (as short as six months in some cases, or e.g. Arch which is a rolling distro, or Fedora which gets updated every six months), thus you are constantly bombarded with changes you don't expect or don't want. LTS (long term support) distros are in most cases unsuitable for the desktop users due to the policy of preserving applications versions (and usually there's no officially approved way to install bleeding edge applications - please, don't remind me of PPAs and backports - these hacks are not officially supported, nor guaranteed to work) Another show-stopping problem for LTS distros is that LTS kernels often do not support new hardware - i.e. a new Intel Atom IC is only supported well by Linux kernel 3.5 - no LTS distro has this kernel.

- Unstable APIs/ABIs & the lack of real compatibility: It's very difficult to use old open and closed source software in new distros (in many cases it becomes impossible due to changes in core Linux components like kernel, GCC or glibc). Almost non-existent backwards compatibility makes it incredibly difficult and costly to create closed source applications for Linux distros. Open Source software which doesn't have active developers or maintainers gets simply dropped if its dependencies cannot be satisfied because older libraries have become obsolete and they are no longer available. For this reason for instance a lot of KDE3/Qt3 applications are not available in modern Linux distros even though alternatives do not exist. Developing drivers out of the main Linux kernel tree is an excruciating and expensive chore.

- Software issues: Very few games and very few AAA games (Humble Indie Bundles and Oil Rush - two independent, very rare occurrences - in 2012-2013 joined by few Valve/Steam titles (vs. thousands of games released for Windows every year) don't really count), no familiar Windows software, no Microsoft Office (LibreOffice still has major troubles opening correctly Microsoft Office produced documents), no native CIFS (simple to use, password protected and encrypted network file sharing) equivalent, no Active Directory or its equivalent.

- Money, enthusiasm, motivation and responsibility: I predicted years ago that FOSS developers would start drifting away from the platform as FOSS is no longer a playground, it requires substantial efforts and time, i.e. the fun is over, developers want real money to get the really hard work done. FOSS development, which lacks financial backing, shows its fatigue and disillusionment. The FOSS platform after all requires financially motivated developers as underfunded projects start to wane and critical bugs stay open for years. One could say "Good riddance", but the problem is that oftentimes those dying projects have no alternatives or similarly featured successors.

- No polish, no consistency and no HIG adherence (even KDE developers admit it).

More at the source of the above

And to your post above sir, I say, fair enough. You make valid points, and I can go into defense mode, trying to justify my use of Linux, and my dislike in Windows, to a long time Ago when Gates obtained WIndows.

Sure, I can admit that Linux is not without issues, as I am sure you must agree that Windows has issues, I have seen way too many blue screens in my office.

I simply use Linux because I prefer it, and it caught my eye when I was a child. I then decided to follow that route instead of the Windows route. Compiling a driver makes more sense to me then having to reboot the entire system to fix an "unknown error"...and that is the actual error. I prefer finding an issue in the operating system and correcting it, than eventually giving up hope and formatting to fix something.
 
I don't hate/despise/loath Windows 8, and it might be because I'm a little older than I was when Windows 7 came out, but this is the first time ever I just don't feel a need or yearn to upgrade :/ Kinda sad really but it just doesn't "excite" me at all.
 
Windows 8 is awesome, i am loving it big time.

Basically windows 7 systema tile system, i don't see what the fuss is, pin everything to your taskbar and you are basically using windows 7.

I just love the speed of the start up, the tile system in use i don't know use. It isn't vastly different but i much prefer the start button gone. waste of time, pin pin pin and everything you need is a click away. Thus far i have run into zero problems using windows 8. All software and games working 100%. Updates perfectly. I can't imagine going back to windows 7. One thing i really love about windows 8 is the easy of searching for files or programs. Superb OS, worth the upgrade? Not really worth pirating and running hells yea.

Stable just as windows 7 was :D. Windows will never die. You can game, work, watch movies and do practically everything on one platform. Is there an OS out there that can that? Mac doesn't work for many programs, games don't work, linux well most apps don't work and you have to use watered down free shyte, gaming(all games) yea not gonna happen but for surfing the net and checking email linux is a winner.
 
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Metro completely defeats the point of multitasking on high res screens wit it's full screen non resizable BS apps.

Bring me the desktop and the start menu back. If I want to play ill do so on my ipad or get myself a RT device.
 
Metro completely defeats the point of multitasking on high res screens wit it's full screen non resizable BS apps.

Bring me the desktop and the start menu back. If I want to play ill do so on my ipad or get myself a RT device.

Simple app and boom
 
Instead of just talking through my hat, let me give you a few tangible drawbacks of the alternative to Windows :

- No stability, bugs, regressions, regressions and regressions: There's an incredible amount of regressions (both in the kernel and in user space applications) when things which used to work break inexplicably, some of regressions can even lead to data loss. Basically there is no quality control (QA/QC) and regression testing in most Open Source projects (including the kernel) - Microsoft, for instance, reports that Windows 8 recieved 1,240,000,000 hours of testing whereas new kernel releases get, I guess, under 10,000 hours of testing - and every Linux kernel release is comparable to a new Windows version. Serious bugs which impede normal workflow can take years to be resolved. A lot of crucial hardware (e.g. GPUs, Wi-Fi cards) isn't properly supported.

- Hardware issues: Under Linux many devices and devices features are still poorly supported or not supported at all. Some hardware (e.g. Broadcom Wi-Fi adapters) cannot be used unless you already have a working Internet connection. New hardware often becomes supported months after introduction. Specialized software to manage devices like printers, scanners, cameras, webcams, audio players, smartphones, etc. almost always just doesn't exist - so you won't be able to fully control your new iPad and update firmware on your Galaxy SIII. Linux graphics support is a big bloody mess because kernel/X.org APIs/ABIs constantly change and NVIDIA/ATI/Broadcom/etc. companies don't want to allocate extra resources and waste their money just to keep up with an insane rate of changes in the Open Source software.

- The lack of standardization, fragmentation, unwarranted & excessive variety: Too many Linux distributions with incompatible and dissimilar configurations, packaging systems and incompatible libraries. Different distros employ totally different desktop environments, different graphical and console applications for configuring your computer settings. E.g. Debian based distros oblige you to use the strictly text based `dpkg-reconfigure` utility for certain system related maintenance tasks.

- The lack of cooperation between open source developers and internal wars: There's no central body to organize the development of different parts of the open source stack which often leads to a situation when one project introduces changes which break other projects (this problem is also reflected in "Unstable APIs/ABIs" below). Even though the Open Source movement lacks manpower, different Linux distros find enough resources to fork projects (Gentoo developers are going to develop a udev alternative; a discord in ffmpeg which led to the emergence of libav; a situation around OpenOffice/LibreOffice; a new X.org/Wayland alternative - Mir) and to use own solutions (Ubuntu won't use systemd).

- A lot of rapid changes: Most Linux distros have very short upgrade/release cycles (as short as six months in some cases, or e.g. Arch which is a rolling distro, or Fedora which gets updated every six months), thus you are constantly bombarded with changes you don't expect or don't want. LTS (long term support) distros are in most cases unsuitable for the desktop users due to the policy of preserving applications versions (and usually there's no officially approved way to install bleeding edge applications - please, don't remind me of PPAs and backports - these hacks are not officially supported, nor guaranteed to work) Another show-stopping problem for LTS distros is that LTS kernels often do not support new hardware - i.e. a new Intel Atom IC is only supported well by Linux kernel 3.5 - no LTS distro has this kernel.

- Unstable APIs/ABIs & the lack of real compatibility: It's very difficult to use old open and closed source software in new distros (in many cases it becomes impossible due to changes in core Linux components like kernel, GCC or glibc). Almost non-existent backwards compatibility makes it incredibly difficult and costly to create closed source applications for Linux distros. Open Source software which doesn't have active developers or maintainers gets simply dropped if its dependencies cannot be satisfied because older libraries have become obsolete and they are no longer available. For this reason for instance a lot of KDE3/Qt3 applications are not available in modern Linux distros even though alternatives do not exist. Developing drivers out of the main Linux kernel tree is an excruciating and expensive chore.

- Software issues: Very few games and very few AAA games (Humble Indie Bundles and Oil Rush - two independent, very rare occurrences - in 2012-2013 joined by few Valve/Steam titles (vs. thousands of games released for Windows every year) don't really count), no familiar Windows software, no Microsoft Office (LibreOffice still has major troubles opening correctly Microsoft Office produced documents), no native CIFS (simple to use, password protected and encrypted network file sharing) equivalent, no Active Directory or its equivalent.

- Money, enthusiasm, motivation and responsibility: I predicted years ago that FOSS developers would start drifting away from the platform as FOSS is no longer a playground, it requires substantial efforts and time, i.e. the fun is over, developers want real money to get the really hard work done. FOSS development, which lacks financial backing, shows its fatigue and disillusionment. The FOSS platform after all requires financially motivated developers as underfunded projects start to wane and critical bugs stay open for years. One could say "Good riddance", but the problem is that oftentimes those dying projects have no alternatives or similarly featured successors.

- No polish, no consistency and no HIG adherence (even KDE developers admit it).

More at the source of the above

...and your point is? I've used OS X for the past couple of years... well, since 10.4 and have yet to discover any drawbacks other than gaming, which is not on the top of my list of priorities. Up until that point, I never believed in anything other than Windows. I converted myself when I experienced the difference between using a well oiled machine and a rusty old bicycle. But, that is personal preference untainted by any form of fanboism.
 
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The metro/Modern UI is a failure, it's market share in mobile is all but non existant and windows 8 has crashed and burned leaving a bigger crater than Vista.
 
Skype for Windows 8 looks *** no matter how you use it. They should have stripped that client out completely and started again.
That is the main reason i took 8 off & went back to 7, i use dual screens at work even then its useless having skype run full screen & trying to multitask. 8 wants to take control of everything. I agree that it runs faster than 7 & once you are used to it, its actually easy to use, but i tend to run into anoying snags that makes this os just feel unproductive. Imho its a wonderfull os for new users but for someone like me that started with dos its just not very practical. Everything needs to be done & setup differantly than were used to. You need to relearn just to use it. I feel dumb everytime i use it & by dumb i mean its just a mindless zombified experiance.
 
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