Windows: It's Over - ZDNet Article

NeoNarchy said:
That is the main reason i took 8 off & went back to 7, i use dual screens at work even then its useless having skype run full screen & trying to multitask. 8 wants to take control of everything. I agree that it runs faster than 7 & once your used to it its actually easy to use, but i tend to run into anoying snags that makes this os just feel unproductive. Imho its a wonderfull os for new users but for someone like me that started with dos its just not very practical. Everything needs to be done & setup differantly than were used to. You need to relearn just to use it. I feel dumb everytime i use it & by dumb i mean its just a mindless zombified experiance.
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I must admit I like the way you can dock it to left or right but you can't easily minimize it so it fails.
 
For me Windows 8 is atrocious! I either have to remember keyboard shortcuts (which I don't and have to google each time for them) or place my mouse in a very specific part of the top of the screen to sometimes have the right side thingy open up to allow me to select search, type in a program and hope that it comes up. Note, it does come up religiously while browsing the web though because it confuses multi-gesture swipes continuously. But don't try use a three-finger swipe to see it - oh no! Then it has an issue 7 times out of 10.

Or I have to wade through hundreds of tiles to find the right app, most of which tell me that they won't open on my non-HD connected screen, that's if I can find it while the thing scrolls left and right at the speed of light. Oh, and my password for the computer is my password for a hotmail account I had years ago. WHY?! I want a separate password, but wading through for an hour looking for that option means that if you go ahead, you're practically creating a new account on the computer. Why the fsck would I want that?! And why must I now go and change the hotmail password and therefore lose all browser password settings in order to change my fscking Windows password? And why does it always lose the connection to my wireless networked devices if I switch wireless off for a second and switch it back on? Why does it tell me that the name is already in use? Fsck you, it isn't!

Fsck this Windows 8 piece of schit. Worst supposed upgrade decision I ever made.

Windows won't die though...
 
The_Librarian said:
Classic Shell to the rescue.

Agreed - the Metro UI is good for touchscreen devices, but for traditional devices (mouse and keyboard) it is not. It fail miserably, forcing users to either upgrade to XP or Win7, or to install alternatives such as Classic Shell.
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Installed classic shell yesterday , thank you!! Just what I've been looking for
 
DJ... said:
Oh, and my password for the computer is my password for a hotmail account I had years ago. WHY?! I want a separate password, but wading through for an hour looking for that option means that if you go ahead, you're practically creating a new account on the computer. Why the fsck would I want that?!
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For the same reason you'd want to associate your gmail account with your android device.

And why must I now go and change the hotmail password and therefore lose all browser password settings in order to change my fscking Windows password?
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You had to change your hotmail password before you could associate it with your win8 device ? You lost all your browser settings because you changed your hotmail password ?

I think you might be doing something wrong. It just worked flawlessly without any hitches for me.

And why does it always lose the connection to my wireless networked devices if I switch wireless off for a second and switch it back on? Why does it tell me that the name is already in use? Fsck you, it isn't!
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This does need attention. As well as the search in the start menu win7 had, huge loss that.

Fsck this Windows 8 piece of schit. Worst supposed upgrade decision I ever made.
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Let's wait and see what update 8.1 brings before we start saying stupid things.
 
It's not a "usability problem" for many -- there are no objective cosmic cast iron rules about UIs. But if it's a problem for you, there's an easy cheap way to get what you want if you struggle to adapt, as many people evidently do. Which just goes to show it's not a problem with the opsys itself but rather this first implementation was perhaps too radical for many.

The advantages of Win8 outweigh these perceived "disadvantages" substantially.

Still, if you don't like Win8, please use the tool that does the job as you prefer, though I suspect it's gonna be hard to find anything that is entirely without "glaring holes" ... care to mention one?
 
Arthur said:
It's not a "usability problem" for many -- there are no objective cosmic cast iron rules about UIs.
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There are principles that work and if you break them you need to have a better alternative in place. Excising longstanding UI features, or forcing users to use two separate and incompatible systems to run concurrent applications, needs to be done with exceptional control over the design decisions that constitute the change. By all accounts, and by my own impressions, this was not the case in Win8.

Which just goes to show it's not a problem with the opsys itself but rather this first implementation was perhaps too radical for many.
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Not radical - incompetent. Mismanaged. Schizophrenic. Evidence of a fractured corporate politik.

The advantages of Win8 outweigh these perceived "disadvantages" substantially.
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It's you vs the market then...
Still, if you don't like Win8, please use the tool that does the job as you prefer, though I suspect it's gonna be hard to find anything that is entirely without "glaring holes" ... care to mention one?
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I'm getting by alright on Win7 since uninstalling 8.
 
What? I did not hear the fat lady yet...

Modern UI rocks esp when you release it from its borders.

Whats even better is how easy its(WinRT) to code in vs old code(Win32).
 
NeoNarchy said:
That is the main reason i took 8 off & went back to 7, i use dual screens at work even then its useless having skype run full screen & trying to multitask.
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Why were you compelled to install/use the Modern (Metro) version of Skype? The latest windowed version runs perfectly on Win8.

For me Win8 works best with this configuration ...

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Only Modern/Metro app on my PC is the Store itself, which cant be uninstalled but you can unpin it from Start.
 
I dislike the metro look.... the corner popup screens also irritate me. My laptop is no faster on Win8 vs Win7. Having been there done that, Win 8 = Win 7 with a silly launcher system... (Metro). I find no reason at all to upgrade any of my other PC's to Win 8 at all ... none. Oh, and my bootup is slower now with metro vs win 7, not much, but i notice it (Running a 240gb Vertex 3).

Start Menu 8 is the best thing i found for this hashup....
 
cerebus said:
There are principles that work and if you break them you need to have a better alternative in place. Excising longstanding UI features, or forcing users to use two separate and incompatible systems to run concurrent applications, needs to be done with exceptional control over the design decisions that constitute the change. By all accounts, and by my own impressions, this was not the case in Win8.
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It's been many years since I was inside, so this is pure speculation -- but I'm pretty certain that the decision to have both Metro and Desktop in one system was ultimately a marketing decision, taken along these lines: (i) Devices are a big part of the future and cannot be ignored, (ii) given form factor, devices typically run full-screen, (iii) in the face of a massive existing apps base for iOS and Android, how to rapidly kickstart app development for MSFTs new devices platform? (iv) leverage the existing desktop installed base by bringing Metro into it without disruptively impacting existing Win32 ecosystem, and drive Metro app development to a point where there's enough for Metro to stand on its own. (v) Given that devices are rapidly evolving to match CPU, memory and storage capabilities of larger systems, it makes no sense to develop a device-specific opsys -- rather lay the architectural foundations for a single opsys that scales to the execution target as required. WP is a work in transition. Yes, Win8 is but the first stab (and most of the work is in the engine and plumbing under the UI), and has plenty of holes and inadequacies, but the main foundations are laid, and can now be built on.


cerebus said:
Not radical - incompetent. Mismanaged. Schizophrenic. Evidence of a fractured corporate politik.
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I think it is far too early to make that judgment or draw that conclusion.


cerebus said:
It's you vs the market then...

I'm getting by alright on Win7 since uninstalling 8.
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Remember all the people refusing to install XP? For two years after XPs release, many self-styled "power users and experts" refused to go near the "teletubbies" UI of XP. Downgrading to Win2K Pro was what they recommended. Sometimes the self-styled boffs take a while to catch on. That's history. I suspect the same is happening here, because the Desktop side of Win8 is every bit as good and in many respects better than Win7.

Still, each to his own. I could never go back to Win7, because Win8 is faster, easier, slicker, cleaner. Once customised and cleaned out, the Start menu is actually faster and easier to use than Start>Programs in Win7. And I don't use Metro at all, except on the Surface RT which I set up for my ancient mother.

Still, I rejoice that Win7 works fine for you. Please continue to use it.
 
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