Windows: It's Over - ZDNet Article

Read through half of the thread. thanx, guess i'll just stick to Win 7... I don't need touch screen features on my PC.
 
shogun said:
This thread reminds me... when will we see surface pro? Is it out here yet?
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It'll be here around June, as confirmed by Microsoft SA's rep through their twitter account.

kingrob said:
Microsoft should have taken the same approach as Volkswagen & Audi....you don't make radical and sweeping changes to your "cash cows", but rather small changes to make it appealing to upgrade, but not the end of the world.
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Most of VW's designs are deliberately bland, though, to appeal to people from all walks of life.

blogbytes said:
Metro completely defeats the point of multitasking on high res screens wit it's full screen non resizable BS apps.
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I have two monitors and I can have a Metro app open on the smaller one and the larger one shows my desktop and apps. I can also have both monitors show the desktop at the same time. I hardly think multi-tasking is defeated here, unless you're just talking about full-screen apps on their own. Considering that Windows 8 was designed to be a good fit for the desktop, laptop and tablet environments, I'm sure that the data that Microsoft mined from Windows 7 showed them exactly how many users actually had more than one app open at a time.

And besides, half-screen snap is coming in 8.1 and it will eventually support smaller resolutions for netbook-like devices and higher resolutions like 4K and QHD. I find it funny that people don't see that Windows is now changing much more rapidly than its predecessors and what Microsoft is planning is actually good for the ecosystem as a whole. If they had to do this over a longer period of time, they wouldn't have attempted Metro at all and then they'd be at the mercy of OS X and Linux, who take new directions in UI design without listening to customers.

DJ... said:
Oh, and my password for the computer is my password for a hotmail account I had years ago. WHY?! I want a separate password, but wading through for an hour looking for that option means that if you go ahead, you're practically creating a new account on the computer. Why the fsck would I want that?!
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On a side-note, you can change your account from one connected to Hotmail to a local one through:

Charms Bar > Settings > Change PC Settings > Users > Switch to a local account.

Swapping to a local account doesn't risk your data or your settings, saved passwords, cookies or browser history. All it does is sign you out of the Live service in all apps in the Start screen and disable desktop sharing between devices, photo streams and that sort of thing. In the beginning when you were setting it up, Windows does give you an option to use a local account instead.

DJ... said:
And why must I now go and change the hotmail password and therefore lose all browser password settings in order to change my fscking Windows password?
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but iOS also does this with your Apple account if you change the password - all devices that you use have to sign in again when you access services that use your Apple account. Since Microsoft is aiming to create the same revenue streams Apple enjoys with their closed environment, having all your devices hooked up to Live or Outlook.com accounts helps users keep track of their data and helps Microsoft keep users in the ecosystem once they are heavily invested into it.

DJ... said:
And why does it always lose the connection to my wireless networked devices if I switch wireless off for a second and switch it back on? Why does it tell me that the name is already in use? Fsck you, it isn't!
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Windows 8's networking stack was rewritten to support new features and many devices don't have drivers that support it fully. Updated drivers or devices that are fully compatible with 8 would solve your problem. I have a wireless dongle that works perfectly with my PC, but when I switch to the LAN connection, PS3 media server drops the connection when it's idle every 20 mins because my NIC hasn't seen a driver update for a whole year.

crysis said:
But the simple answer is: Most people don't like change. Those that do, are people that are easily adaptable to changing environments and can therefore enjoy more success over those trailing behind using outdated tools. When something new comes out thats faster and better than its predecessor, most people aren't willing to change their own tried and tested methods of working to some other workflow.
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I wouldn't be so certain about that. Windows 8 is good but there are certain things that have been changed that are major detractors. For example, if you have one machine linked to a Hotmail account and the other on a local, you can't access shares on the former because of network and sharing restrictions when you're using a connected account, similar to when machines are joined in a domain. Either both are connected and in a Home Group, or they're both on a local account and working just like Windows 7.

And as for others who haven't noticed, some things have been changed in the OS in the last two months:

  • When in a full-screen app there's now a hint that slides into view at the top and disappears after 5 seconds, reminding you that you can swipe to close or slide to the left to switch apps.
  • File association has changed slightly and it'll only tell you that new apps are available to open the file, but it doesn't mess with the previous setting.
  • Superfetch works for me now after a driver update. It never did for me in Win7.
  • Aside from my PS3 Media server hiccup, networking is robust. I have zero IP addressing issues, which I can't say for the Windows 7 devices left in the house.
  • Some full-screen apps have been redesigned and ones like News24 actually have headlines you can somewhat read now.
  • The quality of some of the apps out there has improved tremendously. Evernote is awesome. Windows Phone Store is like the Remote Steam app, only for WP8.

Its getting better, but it will take time. I'm looking forward to 8.1 and I'll probably be getting a Windows Phone to complement my desktop.
 
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I already boot to desktop and have a start button. Just buy Start8 - it makes Windows 8 awesome.
 
abandonallhope said:
When you travel to another country do you also rage your face off about how they drive on the right side of the road ?
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Poor analogy.

One would expect things to be different if one moved countries (OS's), one does not expect a rule change whereby all new cars must drive on the right side of the road while all old cars can stay happy on the left.
 
MexicanStandoff said:
Imagine if Google develops a PC friendly OS for home computers that fills this void that MS is creating.

That would be something.
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You are familiar with Chromium right?

Anyway this whole debate over I like it, I don't like it with Winn8 is somewhat moot. There will be fans and it's even possible that the likes of myself, DJ, my wife, et al, are just risk-averse luddites like it's been suggested. The problem is that the sales numbers indicate that we're not alone - it's alienating more people than it's attracting, and it's causing a major problem for MS who needed really to get a hit on the levels of the iPad and provide a sustainable opportunity for their business partners. As it stands everyone is hemorrhaging and nobody is winning except Apple, who currently reap around 45% of the PC industry profits - roughly as much as everyone else combined.
 
Dj if i may ask were you forced into buying windows 8 or what? As in you bought a new laptop or computer with it preinstalled.

Perhaps what may be the best for a person who is struggling so much, take it to a pc shop get windows 7 reloaded and be done with windows 8. Your anger seems high the last couple days so you smash something. Go back to windows 7 for now.

my sister is loving windows 8 on her touch screen, slim acer s7 with windows 8 and touch screen. She said she wanted training but i told her to pin her stuff and use the desktop and then just fiddle and she has windows 8 working 100%. She thinks the tiles are the best thing she has ever seen. Touch screen so it must be pretty wicked.
 
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All of you guys who are so in favour of Windows 8, I really am glad you like it, but do you honestly think that your loyalty and positive reviews alone are enough to save what has pretty much become a sinking ship?

It's like trying to stop the Titanic from sinking by using a life preserver.
 
Garyvdh said:
All of you guys who are so in favour of Windows 8, I really am glad you like it, but do you honestly think that your loyalty and positive reviews alone are enough to save what has pretty much become a sinking ship?

It's like trying to stop the Titanic from sinking by using a life preserver.
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Why is it sinking though gary, why do you hate it so much? It was designed for more than just desktop computing. You must see how awesome it is on windows 8 touch screen. Cellphones i am sure with w8 are going to be huge along with tablets.

This isn't a sinking ship at all. We like it, so what's the problem? Many people hated vista but loved windows 7, there was literally no difference, perhaps a boost in performance was about all but they hated vista because it was different, they loved windows 7 because they got used to vista and it wasn't much different.

I see pc sales have fallen dramatically and it's being blamed on windows 8 LOL. With tablets and laptops along with netbooks i am not surprised pc sales are falling dramatically.
 
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Garyvdh said:
It's like trying to stop the Titanic from sinking by using a life preserver.
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Comes down to experience.

I installed Windows 8 Pro, realized it's horrible and uninstalled it. Then I thought, no, maybe it's me and installed Windows 8 again. But after playing with it for a while, I realized that it's not me & reinstalled Windows 7 again.

Was very cheesed off, as my Windows 7 key was used more than five times and I had to phone to get those looooonnnngg numbers from Microsoft.

Also realised I need to trust my gut feeling about something more, cos when I first started using it, I just felt it's horrible to use with keyboard and mouse.
 
Oh, and Windows 7 still has the full Windows Media Centre experience. :D

No extra licence needed.
 
Kingrob has done it the correct way, if you don't like it uninstall it and move on. Don't whine like baby about it being so bad.
 
Gary you mention loyalty. There is no loyalty when it comes to windows. You either love or hate it, some people are still using xp because they don't like windows 7, many gamers have moved from xp purely because they have been forced to.
 
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