Within the ANC

Reading thru the thread I have come to the conclusion that we are all full of ****,and that includes ME. SO LET’S FIGHT SOME MORE:D :D
 
kilo39 said:
2003/2004 (12 months!)
murder: 19,824
Rape: 52,733
Grievous Assault: 260,082
Common Assault: 280,942
Crimen Injuria: 59,908

Are we at war? Er, no. Well how come we have crime figures beyond any 'normal' warzone??!
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Get some respect before asking others to give it. Just FIX it - don't care if you pink, purple, black or in-between.
 
ajak said:
Reading thru the thread I have come to the conclusion that we are all full of ****,and that includes ME. SO LET’S FIGHT SOME MORE:D :D
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as long as there is some skimpily-dressed foxy long-legged vixens (and lots of feathers / pillows and stuff) involved... I'm game for a bout or 2... :D
 
ajak said:
En jy "ROOI-NEK" shut up,nou nou kom hierdie boer jou kop afruk:D :D :D
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I've never really worried about the boers since we put them in their place in 1902. :p

JOKING AJAK - keep cool!
 
Baby said:
cacacaca..mmmnn what is umkhonto wesizwe? what does the name mean and what was their duty in the whole plan?
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Baby, if you are questioning peoples spelling, I suggest you take a long hard look at your own posts which are riddled with spelling and gramatical errors.

(back to lurking)
 
Hold fire...

schitz011 said:
Baby, if you are questioning peoples spelling, I suggest you take a long hard look at your own posts which are riddled with spelling and gramatical errors.

(back to lurking)
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I don't believe she was questioning anybody's spelling (spelling is 100% spot-on)...

Come now Baby, don't leave - what am I going to do with all this pop-corn :confused:
 
3Gee said:
the biggest crime in this country is white collar crime , as quess what , its not comitted by blacks (at least on much smaller scale)
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I strongly and whole heartedly disagree. The biggest crime in this country is the atrocities being committed by the government against its very own people.
 
Xarog said:
It was the military wing of the ANC - they mainly engaged in terrorist attacks against government buildings. Nelson Mandela was the leader at one point, as I remember it.

Though I would point out that he absolutely refused to engage in any attacks that cost human life.
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The armed struggle was a last resort ... the NP had no interest in negotiations at that point ... do you really expect people just to roll over and die and say Ja Baas when you trample on their human dignity ???.

Remember what happened at Sharpville ???.
Peacefull unarmed protestors were shot dead like dogs.

The Boers took up arms for their freedom ... so why could the blacks not do the same ???.

Then suddenly it is terrorism and cowardice in their case ???.
 
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Remember what happened at Sharpville ???.
Peacefull unarmed protestors were shot dead like dogs.
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Uum, Sharpville was - like 40 years ago?! Mandela has been in prison, been President and is now retired - do you think we could move on??! Though must agree 76 wasn't that long ago... Uum - but it has been 30 years!!! And just in case we having a date problem - gub has been in power for 12 years!!! Please government, could we do something instead of just talking about it.

//thanks Angelo for the cartoon//
 
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tibby.dude said:
Remember what happened at Sharpville ???.
Peacefull unarmed protestors were shot dead like dogs.
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perhaps the anc should remember what happened at sharpville... cuz right now the average black worker is wallowing in **** while the new black elite get rich on their blood and tears... and the blood and tears of the black struggle.

sad to think these pigs have supporters.
 
halicon said:
perhaps the anc should remember what happened at sharpville... cuz right now the average black worker is wallowing in **** while the new black elite get rich on their blood and tears... and the blood and tears of the black struggle.
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More truth.
 
The armed struggle was a last resort ... the NP had no interest in negotiations at that point ... do you really expect people just to roll over and die and say Ja Baas when you trample on their human dignity ???.
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No, I don't expect people to roll over. (And I've never trampled on anyone's human dignity, thankyou. I suggest you use "someone tramples" not "you trample".)

Remember what happened at Sharpville ???.
Peacefull unarmed protestors were shot dead like dogs.
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I know what happened at Sharpville - remembering what happened implies I was alive at the time it happened. :p

The Boers took up arms for their freedom ... so why could the blacks not do the same ???.
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I never said they couldn't.

Then suddenly it is terrorism and cowardice in their case ???.
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As far as I know, the boers never attacked civilians during the boer war. They did resort to guerrilla warfare against the british army, but that's not the same as terrorism.

Whether terrorism is a good thing or a bad thing, or can sometimes be justified, I leave up to your judgement - I never passed comment on whether or not it's accepable.

My point was simply that at some point, the ANC did become a violent organisation, and it affected the ANC as much as it affected anyone else.
 
Xarog said:
As far as I know, the boers never attacked civilians during the boer war. They did resort to guerrilla warfare against the british army, but that's not the same as terrorism.
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During their siege of Kimberley the Boers bombarded the town full of civilians (48,000 inhabitants with 12,000 woman and 10,000 children) with indiscriminate and nearly constant artillery fire for about 4 months.

So is that not terrorism ???.

My point was simply that at some point, the ANC did become a violent organisation, and it affected the ANC as much as it affected anyone else.
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Reluctanly only because all other avenues was closed to them ... they tried the peacefull resistance method a.l.a Ghandi with the Defiance campaign but unlike the Brits the govt responded with an incident like Sharpeville.

There was no other alternative remaining but to respond with armed resistance as depending on the good graces and the basic humanity of the govt of the day was obviously a lost and foolish cause.

Also the armed resistance was rather not the main focus and was generally dissciplined .... some of you go on endlessly about Magoo's Bar and Robert McBride but what do you think would have happened here in South Africa if the ANC took a hardline stance as some wanted in the movement and adopted the same brutal tactics as the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka and that Zarqawi fella in Iraq for example ???.

Your schools, churches and homes would not have been safe ... think about that for a moment and be thankfull it was never esclated to that point.
 
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tibby.dude said:
Also the armed resistance was rather not the main focus and was generally dissciplined .... some of you go on endlessly about Magoo's Bar and Robert McBride but what do you think would have happened here in South Africa if the ANC took a hardline stance as some wanted in the movement and adopted the same brutal tactics as the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka and that Zarqawi fella in Iraq for example ???.

Your schools, churches and homes would not have been safe ... think about that for a moment and be thankfull it was never esclated to that point.
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If it had happened it would have been a bloodbath, no man, woman or child from either spectrum would have been spared.

Remember the crimes that were done by both the NP and the ANC, times this by 1000%. Ethnic cleansing would have been a joke in comparison.
 
kilo39 said:
//thanks Angelo for the cartoon//
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LOL good cartoon they should also make one the current government 12 years after apartheid still blaming everything including dvd,music,game piracy on apartheid and then also with the skulls and just farm murders or murders on white people and a criminal laughing cos he didnt go to jail because he did cut his finger while breaking a window :p
 
Baby said:
what can we say we were thought by the best in racism, if it was'nt for the SA whites we would'nt know what racism is.
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How the heck can you say that. Are you going to say that the world knows racism because of SA whites. Racism has always been around. For millenia. What's the point of arguing over who is racist, defining racism, defending your political viewpoint etc, if you're always looking to the past. What do you see as the best possible future. A South Africa, only with black people in it. This sound familiar to the attitude of Germany during WWII. The world isn't necessarily concerned with who runs a country, as long as that country allows people to live in freedom. Take Germany. Hitler wanted only Aryian Whites. Purebloods of a certain IQ, hair colour, eye colour etc. The world ridiculed him, because no matter what, other people who don't meet that image will still exist. They wanted him to accept that fact. He didn't and strove for his perfect "Vaderland". War was declared, and eventually Germany was forced to accept it. Now, 60 years on, Germany is a world force, where patriotism is powerful, but they couldn't care if you're black, white, pink or purple.

The undertone of these arguments is that we are all passionate about our country, black and white. We don't want to go into a Civil War to create an enviroment where the world will laugh us off again. I agree, there are major stuff ups in the way our country is governed. But it happens when you throw people into a position they've actually never been in before. They are learning and getting better at it. Corruption will exist, and it is their responsibility to iron it out. Otherwise it will hamper progression. Mbeki was right to dismiss Zuma, because leaving him there could open up the government to susceptibility. If Zuma is found innocent, then there is nothing stopping him going for pres. If he's guilty, then a possible problem is quashed. Let's believe our government is trying it's best, and ignore individuals. Let's not make martyr's out of someone who can only help us for a limited time. Is Zuma still going to be around when your kids are grown up. Support South Africa, not the individuals
 
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