Wits students protest over tuition fee increase

Well yeah RSA has massive problems.
Suddenly free university seems a bit like a pie in the sky when people cant even clothe house or feed themselves. Take out a student loan and pay it off when you graduate and start working. It's not the end of the world. It's not ideal but what is in this country. Get real.
 
Well yeah RSA has many problems.
Suddenly free university seems a bit like a pie in the sky when people cant even clothe house or feed themselves. Take out a student loan and pay it off. It's not the end of the world.

And students also get duped. They're told a worthless yet expensive degree will get them a job. Well, no. It won't. The developed world is full of highly educated people who have no jobs. Many degrees are simply worthless. Paying for them is not going to help development but will only fool the students who will still have wasted x years of their lives with little to show for it.

OK there is a bonus to having more educated people per se. Tertiary education does build character and train the mind. But we have more pressing issues IMO.
 
The hungriest people are in Cape Town (80%) and Msunduzi, in KwaZulu-Natal (87%).

80 percent of that twelve million are in Cape Town, wtf? Or 80 percent of Cape Town is hungry, wtf?
 
OK there is a bonus to having more educated people per se. Tertiary education does build character and train the mind.

It also teaches people to think critically which makes duping the masses with propaganda harder i.e. a political party may actually have to deliver on promises rather than food parcels at election time.

Of course, a proper basic education would achieve the same end.
 
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" Rhodes students leader Lihle has said that they walked out of a meeting with senior management because they refused to postpone exams."

http://i.imgur.com/aYRhYAf.jpg

I found this pretty hilarious. So it's about ducking exams after all :D
 
This. You see this is a pressing issue. If you're gonna give free tertiary tuition to these relatively well off kids while overlooking the docile and quiet masses of really poor people.... you're not doing justice.

So we're to assume that only well off kids are protesting and also if well off kids are protesting there is no way that they could be standing proxy for those docile quiet masses? I've admitted that this is a complex issue but to trivialize it because we have other more pressing needs isn't constructive.

Cheers
 
I'm worried that this protest is going nowhere. The student movements seem directionless. They've been offered reasonable tuition increases but they've rejected these and now seem to be protesting over nebulous philosophical issues.

Meanwhile the rest of the world is carrying on.
 
I have a feeling many of the protesters do not realise free or affordable university education does not mean obtaining a free or affordable degree and therefore being financially better off. You still actually need to meet academic entry requirements and pass three years of exams to obtain the degree.

Yes, costs of university education is high, I agree and lowering the cost would be great. But the purpose of university education is not to make up for a lack of basic school education. Even if you can go to university for free does not mean you wil obtain a degree. A big portion of the population have access to low cost or free high school education but still only a fraction end up with matric. So the problem is not the cost but the quality of the education. Because of government screwing up the school system, a matric, even if you have it means squat, now people need further education to get somewhere...but a poor basic level of schooling wont allow you entrance to university as chances that you will be able to master the course is very very low. Free or not.

People are fixated with the cost of resident universities, which are inflated in the media by the way. The average cost for a year at Stellies is about R40k for undergraduate. What makes it expensive is the cost of accommodation which can be R60k per year. Now, if you dont live in Stellenbosch and want to attend class there, then there is not much you can complain about when it comes to accommodation. R60k per year in that regard including food is not much. Otherwise choose a university closer to you or rather spend the money on transport.

Another point that gets no attention is Unisa which offers distance learning at a fraction of a cost. The same R35k course will set you back R12k or so for the full years modules, or as little as R6k if you want to spread it out over a longer period. So you can have access to tertiary education for a fraction of the price without having to worry about accommodation plus you can work while studying. 400 000 students attend Unisa, with Stellies only having 30 000. There should be more focus on the role that Unisa plays in access to tertiary access and to try and close the gap between the cost compared to other uni's. Maybe bridge the gap somehow or between resident uni's and distance learning.

All I hear is people complaining how they cant afford the R90k or whatever university fees, but no-one talks about rather going the Unisa route for a fraction of the price. It seems like it is either US, UCT or Wits at R90k per year or otherwise no tertiary education at all. I do realise some qualifications are not offered at Unisa such as medicine, law and full engineering, but to get access to those courses and be successfull in passing, one should not have a problem to obtain a bursary or student loan, ie to be accepted for medicine and to pass, you need good matric results, which should allow you access to bursaries or financing.
 
I have a feeling many of the protesters do not realise free or affordable university education does not mean obtaining a free or affordable degree and therefore being financially better off. You still actually need to meet academic entry requirements and pass three years of exams to obtain the degree.

Where does this idea come from that everyone involved are idiots that don't understand stuff like this?
 
Where does this idea come from that everyone involved are idiots that don't understand stuff like this?

Never implied everyone are idiots. I just read a few statements and posters in the media in the line of "free tertiary education, more graduates, less povery, economical growth etc". In theory maybe yes, but you still need to actually pass and finish the degree regardless where th money fo education will come from.

I just wanted to point out that, if the high fees are apparently the reason one cant have access to tertiary education or a degreed qualification, then why dont anyone mention the option of Unisa, which offers degrees for a fraction of the price. They should at least be mentioned. They have more students than all the universities combined, or close to.
 
This. You see this is a pressing issue. If you're gonna give free tertiary tuition to these relatively well off kids while overlooking the docile and quiet masses of really poor people.... you're not doing justice.

Food is a priority.
Healthcare.
Then education.

You have to eat first. Then you must have your health taken care of. Then you can only think about studying.

Sadly little hungry kids can't storm parliament or burn tires and get empathy votes. They just have to suck it up.
Please stop with your colonialist counter-revolutionary tendencies...

These marches should be aimed at better quality pre and high school education - only once that is sorted out will free tertiary education even begin to make a difference in South Africa.
 
Govts won't stop wasting money or at least it will take many years of teaching them to do the right thing at every instance. But the students are hungry NOW!. Also, We pay less tax then Sweden.

I would like us to unpack this a bit.

What level of tax do they pay in Sweden? And what do they get for their taxes in terms of social/state-provided services?
 
Privileged ignorance.

I finished my accounting honours last year through Unisa, after completing my accounting undergraduate all through Unisa. I did this paying for it myself while doing articles at a small firm. It took me almost 10 years and I will be qualifying as a CA by the end of the years after writing board 2. I still have quite a bit of study loan to repay to the bank.

I chose Unisa because I had to pay for it myself and the only way was to be working while studying. Unisa still felt expensive but only about 25% of what a place like Stellies cost, without taking accommodation into account.

So there are options to still obtain a world class qualification if money is a problem. The state throwing money at Unisa and improving their ability to handle even more students might be the best option to access to cheaper education. They already cater to by far the most students and make the biggest difference. They supply by far the most CA's per year for example. Maybe they can offer part time classes forexample with more state funding, as they get a dispoportionately low amount of funding for the amount of students at the moment.
 
I finished my accounting honours last year through Unisa, after completing my accounting undergraduate all through Unisa. I did this paying for it myself while doing articles at a small firm. It took me almost 10 years and I will be qualifying as a CA by the end of the years after writing board 2. I still have quite a bit of study loan to repay to the bank.

I chose Unisa because I had to pay for it myself and the only way was to be working while studying. Unisa still felt expensive but only about 25% of what a place like Stellies cost, without taking accommodation into account.

So there are options to still obtain a world class qualification if money is a problem. The state throwing money at Unisa and improving their ability to handle even more students might be the best option to access to cheaper education. They already cater to by far the most students and make the biggest difference. They supply by far the most CA's per year for example. Maybe they can offer part time classes forexample with more state funding, as they get a dispoportionately low amount of funding for the amount of students at the moment.

Problem with this is that Unisa requires a student to have a pretty good support structure in place in terms of computers, internet etc. Many potential students won't have access to this.

ps congrats on your achievements! :D
 
Problem with this is that Unisa requires a student to have a pretty good support structure in place in terms of computers, internet etc. Many potential students won't have access to this.

ps congrats on your achievements! :D

I do realise that, but so does a place like Stellies. Unisa also have campuses with IT centres, plus if you will be working you can either use your work internet or a internet cafe, or there is always a manual option.

If the government has to throw money at tertiary education, Unisa is a good place as they cater for the most students. Imagine cutting their fees further by subsidies, you will help 400 000 students, or you can expand to reach even more students. Just saying. Unisa is there, and it is 25% or less of the cost of other uni's people are protesting against for high fees, plus it allows you to work while studying so you can afford it. If they regard Unisa as a lesser university then maybe better it by offering more classes or whatever. Generally there is nothing wrong withthe standard of their degrees, but rather the suppport system to students which makes the success rate lower (inherent to distance learning though).

I also did a B.Sc hons degree at Stellies, so I know both sides (paid for by my parents). But I changed study field and had to fund it myself. I wanted to get accepted into medicine the B.Sc route but that never happened.
 
Please stop with your colonialist counter-revolutionary tendencies...

These marches should be aimed at better quality pre and high school education - only once that is sorted out will free tertiary education even begin to make a difference in South Africa.

Why? There are thousands of students who are capable of actually doing their degrees, they just need the financial resources.

And if it were free it would actually give many students something to shoot for. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of pupils who don't really bother that hard with their schoolwork because they know they don't have the option of doing anything after matric anyway.
 
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