Wits students protest over tuition fee increase

What I am saying is the non-lefty businesses are just as happy to have consumerist drones working for them that have no concept of independent thought and so naturally conform themselves to the corporate culture etc. etc.

Businesses don't make consumerist drones. They sell stuff. It's maybe people are primed by politicians and school to be like that or maybe they're not like that or maybe mother nature made them that way. You give businesses too much credit.

The problem is more pervasive than simple left/right politics.

You're right. It's worldview and ideology dependent. Political labels mean little and are temporal at best.


Yes. Imagine a site like this had government support and initiatives building social networks in the community aimed at improving the success of projects like this. If made workable it could save the government huge sums of money.

It's a site with tons and tons of material students can use instead of or to compliment basic and even college education.

Yes. I imagine the desire to educate would be somewhat freer of this politicisation, at least outside of the social sciences.

I only brought it up because Wiki is a clouded source and can't be used merely as an example of pure altruistic knowledge sharing. ;)
 
Financial exclusion is my reality: Wits student

Mpho Raborife, News24

Johannesburg - Although the number of students taking part in the #FeesMustFall protests at the University of Witswatersrand have shrunk significantly, those who know the harsh reality of financial exclusion refuse to return to class until the promise of a fee-free system becomes a reality.

A B.Com accounting student who is part of the group of students who have chosen to continue to the fight against Wits and its Vice Chancellor Adam Habib, says she is prepared to miss her exams if the final goal of free education is attained.

She began her undergraduate degree at Wits in 2004, funded by the National Student Financial Aid Scheme, but had to drop out when it announced that it could only provide 50% of the funding she required.

"It took me 8 years to come back," she says.

"I'm a part-time student, do you know how long it takes to finish your degree? It takes 6 years to complete a 3 year degree."

She now works as a telemarketer and funds her own studies, after her application for a loan was rejected.

From the little that she earns, she must pay her fees, pay back part of her initial NSFAS loan, and rent. At times she struggles to afford groceries, she says.

This is the reason why she has vowed to continue fighting until the students' demand of free education is realised.

"We really want the vice chancellor to hear our grievances because we also want to write our exams, but if it means that we should actually not write exams and be sorted for the three coming years, so be it.

"It's one sacrifice for everybody and for myself until I finish [studying]."

Disconnect between students

She says there is a sense of disconnect between students who come from different socio-economic backgrounds. But no grudges were held against those who had chosen to resume their academic activities, she says.

"Let middle class go to class, let them go to their lectures... I have to suffer because I don't have a dad that can pay for my studies, my mom was a housewife, I can't even talk to my mom about my fees.

"My brother is doing his Masters here [at Wits], he was lucky enough to get a bursary from Eskom which funded him throughout, but not everyone has that luck, even if you have the intellectual capacity to be at Wits."

After a full day of work, she attends lessons from 17:00 until 21:00. By the time the weekend arrives, she is exhausted, she says.

"It's not easy, but because I want this so bad, then I have to make sure that I get it.

"But if I get an opportunity like this [protest] to voice out my story, my issues, to say 'The reason why we are standing here is to say...we are frustrated [and] we are willing to sacrifice our exams if the university does not meet us halfway.

"I've got the capacity to be a student here, can I not be excluded if I don't have money?"

'We do study'

Although the group has opted to boycot their lectures, they still continue with their studies, she says.

"When we get home each and every one of us, we do study because if the vice chancellor can say tomorrow, 'Okay guys I'm giving you what you guys need, I'm signing off', I need to be ready to go write my exams. So those three or four hours that we get, we do study."

Missing out on lectures is not her main concern because it means nothing if she cannot afford to return next year, she says.

"My year mark is fine, I'm sitting on 80%. I'm not even worried about that.

"I don't measure myself in terms of my intellectual capabilities, my financial capabilities are limiting me to be where I want to be. They are limiting me and everybody else who is here. It's really sad."

The majority of the students who had opted to continue with the protests were from either from a rural or township backgrounds, she says.

"They know what it is to be poor."

Earlier today, a group of students and workers demonstrated against outsourcing.

While the disruptions were taking place, the majority of students at the university's Braamfontein campus went about their day almost as normal, although the #FeesMustFall campaign was still being discussed by many students.

The protests began at Wits University two weeks ago when the university announced a proposed 10.5% fee hike for 2016.

They quickly spread to campuses around South Africa, eventually culminating in President Jacob Zuma announcing a freeze in university fee hikes for 2016. But some students have said this is not enough and called for free education.

News24
Source
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Financial-exclusion-is-my-reality-Wits-student-20151028
 
B Comm Accounting? Studying the wrong degree there, kiddo :whistle:

This is what I still don't get. You can study B.Compt accounting to become a CA through Unisa, at a cost of R12k or so undergraduate and R16k post graduate. That is a fraction of what a place like Wits and US and UCT charge. And CA is one of the more expensive courses. If costs and access to tertiary education is the real reason for the protest, then it is very convenient to not mention tje existence of Unisa and the role it already plays in 1- significantly more affordable education and 2- access to education with more than 400 000 students.

I get that distance learning is harder, but it allows you to study while working to not only afford it but to make a living while studying. This has to count for something. With resident universities already to capacity and with high infrastructure costs that has to be recovered by ways of high fees, the best viable option is for government to expand Unisa or copy their business model with new institutions. Drastically changing the current universities is not viable, at least not in the short term of at least 10 years.
 
Stefanmuller is right though. The limiting factors will eventually be infrastructure, not fees. As things stand, the number of students that can be enrolled into contact universities (which are already full beyond capacity) will not increase, even if tuition fees decrease.
 
^^this guy and the UNISA...we got it like the third or fourth time, StefanM.

Well he makes an extremely solid point. Running a physical university like Stellenbosch for example (only univ I have experience of), is OBSCENELY EXPENSIVE! It will never be cheap. Stellenbosch has huge buildings with gigantic lecture halls, equipped with multiple projectors each, vast computer rooms with up to date pcs, strong wifi across campus (in buildings as well) in addition to sports facilities and expansive grounds to maintain, then youve got hundreds of lecturers and academic support staff + admin as well. The place is like a small modern, extremely well looked after city. It is no doubt ridiculously expensive to run and is literally the LAST PLACE you should look for an affordable education :twisted:
 
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#FeesMustFall campaign leaders divide Wits students

Mpho Raborife, News24

Johannesburg - Distrust and confusion have sowed divisions in the #FeesMustFall campaign after some University of the Witwatersrand students claimed they no longer recognised the SRC leadership that has led the two-week movement.

This came after a weekend of scathing attacks on social media aimed at outgoing SRC president Shaeera Kalla and incoming president Nompendulo Mkatshwa.

The pair was accused of being coerced by the Progressive Youth Alliance to bring an end to the protests, after the students' demand that there be a 0% fee increase for the 2016 academic year was realised.

Rumours had circulated that the two women had met with national and provincial PYA members in a secret meeting at the weekend. Among the topics alleged to have been discussed at the meeting was an amount of R40 000, former SRC president Mcebo Dlamini, and whether the protests should be brought to an end.

On Tuesday, Wits released a statement saying classes would resume on Wednesday. The decision was made after a resolution was made between the university's management and the Student Representative Council, it said.

‘We can’t afford to lose the year’

"We urge all staff and students to do everything possible to fulfil the obligation of every one of us to get the academic programme back on track.

"We cannot afford for 32 500 students to lose the academic year. This will only serve to further entrench the inequality within our society.

"The university has agreed to address all outstanding concerns with the student leadership and will be engaging with them in this regard," Wits said.

On Wednesday, in response to the university's statement as well as the attacks on social media, Kalla took to Twitter in an effort to provide clarity.

She said the university's statement on the resolution that was reached was not true as no such meeting had taken place.

No meetings

"We must clarify that there have been no meetings or negotiations between management and the SRC at any point."

She then addressed the issue of the "secret" PYA meeting.

"A PYA meeting that took place on Sunday 25 October. We must clear up the controversy that this has unfortunately caused.

"Both President Shaeera Kalla and incoming President Nompendulo Mkatshwa were present and many rumours have come out of this.

"The SRC affirms the right of all student organisations to freely meet.

"That being said, the only firm decision making platform for the #FeesMustFall movement have been mass student meetings called by the SRC," she tweeted.

Money for ‘donations’

She then said the amount of R40 000 which was discussed during the meeting had to do with donations made to the movement for food, drink and transport.

She assured students that the SRC had their best interests at heart and said there were attempts being made to tarnish the leadership's integrity.

Kalla ended by saying: "Disunity amongst students is what will kill the movement for Free Education".

But some students don't seem to be convinced and have said they felt used by the SRC, which was chasing its own political goals because the university itself was yet to address the pertinent issue of putting an end to the outsourcing of workers, as well as dealing with an alternative method of funding poor students.

"The SRC had their own political agenda. They got what they wanted, they wanted publicity... They misled everyone, because they had their own political agendas," one student said.

Continued protests

She was part of a smaller group of students who, on Wednesday, chose not to return to classes but continue protesting to their outstanding demands of free education and an end to outsourcing.

"They gave us nothing and I wish everybody out there can actually understand. One minute they're with us, then the next minute [they're not]."

She said students no longer recognised the SRC as the leaders of the #FeesMustFall movement.

"We don't want your leadership anymore, we don't want it. This is a student movement, all of us are leaders.

"Nobody has personal agendas. We all have the same common goal to say 'come next year, and the year after and until I graduate, can I please... not be excluded because I don't have money."

News24
Source
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/FeesMustFall-campaign-leaders-divide-Wits-students-20151029
 
Habib to meet with striking Wits workers

JOHANNESBURG - Protesting Wits students and workers are expected to meet Vice Chancellor Adam Habib today to hear whether the Senate will temporarily shut the institution to address the issue of outsourcing.

Yesterday, Habib told protesters that the university can’t go back on its decision to resume operations and had asked to return within a month to give feedback on outsourcing.

Workers who are awaiting the decision from management have described their employment conditions as abuse.

Wits worker Nandi Ndabeni says she’s struggling to get by on her cleaners’ salary.

“I don’t have any money. I don’t even have a cent in the bank after working at Wits for so long.”

She says being an outsourced worker has left her feeling trapped.

“I am old now, where will I go? Which company is going to hire me at this age?”

More at http://ewn.co.za/2015/10/29/Habib-to-meet-with-striking-Wits-students-and-workers
 
Wits worker Nandi Ndabeni says she’s struggling to get by on her cleaners’ salary.

“I don’t have any money. I don’t even have a cent in the bank after working at Wits for so long.”

She says being an outsourced worker has left her feeling trapped.

“I am old now, where will I go? Which company is going to hire me at this age?”

What does any of this have to do with working for an outsourcing company?

I guess the masses have been told that outsourcing means they'll stay poor, and they just gobble it all up.
 
Lectures at Wits resumes with heavy police presence

JOHANNESBURG - There’s a heavy police presence at Wits University this morning as the university tries to continue with its academic programme amid protests.

Yesterday, a small group of students and workers blocked entrances to the campus demanding an end to outsourcing.

This morning there are eight police vehicles parked outside the Empire Road entrance and another five outside the Yale Road entrance, with several police officers patrolling on foot.

Campus security guards are clearing debris on campus, and picking up bins that were overturned yesterday.

The university is adamant to keep the campus open so that lectures can resume and examinations can proceed.

More at http://ewn.co.za/2015/10/29/Heavy-police-presence-as-Wits-commits-to-resuming-academic-activities
 
Stefanmuller is right though. The limiting factors will eventually be infrastructure, not fees. As things stand, the number of students that can be enrolled into contact universities (which are already full beyond capacity) will not increase, even if tuition fees decrease.

Yeah, I asked our resident Athenian a while back what his miraculous plan is to where and how students will be studying once they've looted the bank accounts of the 'rich'. Currently we don't have room for those who can afford it(cash/loan whatever). Still waiting
 
Would love to know where the hundreds of thousands of free graduates are going to work, too...
 
What does any of this have to do with working for an outsourcing company?

I guess the masses have been told that outsourcing means they'll stay poor, and they just gobble it all up.

I don't see how it's Wits's fault that she is working for the company that they contract to keep the campus clean?
 
Would love to know where the hundreds of thousands of free graduates are going to work, too...

Your job... for 3x the salary, oh and they'll need to hire you back but will only be able to pay you 50% of what you currently earn, white priviledge and all that you know.
 
Your job... for 3x the salary, oh and they'll need to hire you back but will only be able to pay you 50% of what you currently earn, white priviledge and all that you know.

lol

right.

I am not a graduate remember, they'll be overqualified :p
 
Would love to know where the hundreds of thousands of free graduates are going to work, too...

Or how the universities are going to cope with the influx of students.

I know the first year subjects @ Wits are already crazy packed - mainly due to the lowered requirements for university exemption.

Next we are going to have violent protests because there aren't enough places in our universities for all the prospective students.

/sigh
 
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