'Wrong' twin is aborted

LOL, 'killing the baby" I love how people play with word. You see, that's the difference between us, I would not. ;)

Ja, it's easy to deny responsibility, but if you watch them perform the abortion, it's pretty easy to see the doctor taking the moving baby in the forceps and tearing him limb from limb. I don't see how that can be anything but a killing. To deny it is to be dishonest to yourself.
 
Ja, it's easy to deny responsibility, but if you watch them perform the abortion, it's pretty easy to see the doctor taking the moving baby in the forceps and tearing him limb from limb. I don't see how that can be anything but a killing. To deny it is to be dishonest to yourself.

We both believe the opposite is true, so no point in continuing this discussion ;)
 
Ah, the Republican way :) Don't abort, but when parents can't support babies because of poverty/medical bills they can get fscked because state support is socialism :rolleyes:
 
Ah, the Republican way :) Don't abort, but when parents can't support babies because of poverty/medical bills they can get fscked because state support is socialism :rolleyes:

This happened in Australia, not America. ;)
 
I doubt doctors give a schite, majority of them suffer from a god complex as it is.

A friend had to have her one ovary removed for medical reasons which is not to bad seeing she still has the other one so hormones don't become and issue. The idiot doctor removed the wrong ovary! She had to go back and have the problematic one removed a second time round and now have to take those hormonal supplement things.

Reporting them to the medical council or whatever it is called is almost pointless. First they are reviewed by their 'peers' (like a band of thieves), second they will stall as long as they can (something about a statute of limitations on medical claims), trying to sue them requires money and they usually have more than their victims.

As someone else mentioned they also 'kill' people under the guise of surgical risks. I knew one guy that went in for a minor procedure, he got nicked where he was not suppose to be nicked and died of septicaemia or something.

I would recommend taking a black permanent ink marker and drawing an arrow on what has to be removed. (THIS ONE --->)
 
.....or not.

Unfortunately doctors sometimes are given to much credit. They probably kill more people than they save in theatre....

How many docs enter the profession for the money ?

Whatever man...

In reality if there was no doctor both would have died and most probably the mother as well.

This is how it used to happen in the old days.

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This story got me curious, I have a friend who is giving birth to twins in Aus, just checked she is also 32 weeks ! Oh ****, hope its not her !!!!:cry:
 
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So, it sounds like you are talking about the US Republican party... which has nothing to do with this thread.

The Australian Republican Party are Secular Humanist.

I was actually talking about posters in this thread :p
 
Take a look for yourself...
[video=youtube;c82WUgjIUng]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c82WUgjIUng[/video]

I think it's a bit of a reach to say the kid is screaming, after watching that video.

Abortion is nasty, I agree. I have had the good fortune to have a wonderful kid involved in my life for the last year or so. Watching him grow up, and knowing the kids idiot father wanted to abort him, has really made me think hard about abortion.

Ultimately, it's the mothers choice, and I resist any efforts to take that choice away from her.
 
I think it's a bit of a reach to say the kid is screaming, after watching that video.
Abortion is nasty, I agree. I have had the good fortune to have a wonderful kid involved in my life for the last year or so. Watching him grow up, and knowing the kids idiot father wanted to abort him, has really made me think hard about abortion.
Ultimately, it's the mothers choice, and I resist any efforts to take that choice away from her.

So how come killing with intention one second after birth is murder, but killing with intention one second before birth is not?
I would love to be able to say it is only about the mother's choice, but it is not. There is another life involved. Who speaks for the life of the child?
 
So how come killing with intention one second after birth is murder, but killing with intention one second before birth is not?
I would love to be able to say it is only about the mother's choice, but it is not. There is another life involved. Who speaks for the life of the child?

and the father has no say over what happens to his own child either
 
So how come killing with intention one second after birth is murder, but killing with intention one second before birth is not?
I would love to be able to say it is only about the mother's choice, but it is not. There is another life involved. Who speaks for the life of the child?

With all abortions if the child cries you have to save it... so this is pretty much the delimiting factor.

Also you have to have some sort of limit.... must there be a murder investigation every time a woman has a miscarriage ? How about every time she has a late period with heavy bleeding, because that is also an abortion.

A woman's body decides if it wants to keep the baby, so why shouldn't the woman's mind be able to do the same ?
 
So how come killing with intention one second after birth is murder, but killing with intention one second before birth is not?
I would love to be able to say it is only about the mother's choice, but it is not. There is another life involved. Who speaks for the life of the child?

I'm certainly no expert when it comes to abortion, but I certainly don't support the abortion of fully formed children in the womb. It's surely generally not legal to abort a kid that's been 8 months in the womb?
 
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