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Question of the Day: Have you ever ordered a product online and received a fake knock-off?
Xbox 360 price cuts
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Toxin
Expert Member
There are cheaper BR players out there you know....
That's the point really. The Wii is primarily for non-hardcore gamers. It introduces gaming to people who wouldn't normally be interested.
As for the lack of titles, I blame the local distributor (Core) for that. There are a few AA rated games for the Wii that I haven't seen here yet.
I dont think thats a fair statement. Im serious about my gaming and only have 17 xbox titles. I make them last for the price i pay thats all.
Hd-dvd
This sounds very fishy. Just a week ago Microsoft announced that it will no longer manufacture HD-DVD drives for its Xbox.
Are they planning to shift to Blu-Ray and is this their way of getting rid of old stock? HD-DVD lost the format war to Blu-Ray.
I would stay clear until there's more clarity from Microsoft
This sounds very fishy. Just a week ago Microsoft announced that it will no longer manufacture HD-DVD drives for its Xbox.
Are they planning to shift to Blu-Ray and is this their way of getting rid of old stock? HD-DVD lost the format war to Blu-Ray.
I would stay clear until there's more clarity from Microsoft
Yip you're right. I was thinking that too.
Highflyer_GP
Honorary Master
The X-box comes with a normal DVD drive, you seem to be confused. Gaming has nothing to do with the optical format, unless the game itself can't fit on a disc. Developing on a PS3 is very difficult, and as a result with multi-platform games you end up with a 2nd best version of the original
moosag
Expert Member
Like buying a TV.. If you gonna buy one rather buy full 1080i HD.
If you gonna buy a console rather buy one that can support full HD i.e. (Blu Ray)
HD content games cant fit on normal DVD drives and HD DVD drives are obsolete.
As you guys said... Rather wait for more clarity and let people buy these "cheap" things in droves and sit with outdated consoles in a few months/year.
I am personally gonna wait for those whole HD player war to be over with and decide which console has more to offer after the whole war has settled.
Key points to look out for:
-> Support High Defination Gaming
-> Offers online gaming community/portals/Xbox Live or equivalent
-> Good range of affordable games
-> Think of it as a car.. is service and maintenance an issue/cost and are parts for the PS3 more expensive then Xbox and vice versa??
-> Decent size hard drive
-> [Insert Your Feature] here...
I am actually going to go and buy a Wii so that everyone in my house can play it.. while I LAN and shootem up on my PC
If you gonna buy a console rather buy one that can support full HD i.e. (Blu Ray)
HD content games cant fit on normal DVD drives and HD DVD drives are obsolete.
As you guys said... Rather wait for more clarity and let people buy these "cheap" things in droves and sit with outdated consoles in a few months/year.
I am personally gonna wait for those whole HD player war to be over with and decide which console has more to offer after the whole war has settled.
Key points to look out for:
-> Support High Defination Gaming
-> Offers online gaming community/portals/Xbox Live or equivalent
-> Good range of affordable games
-> Think of it as a car.. is service and maintenance an issue/cost and are parts for the PS3 more expensive then Xbox and vice versa??
-> Decent size hard drive
-> [Insert Your Feature] here...
I am actually going to go and buy a Wii so that everyone in my house can play it.. while I LAN and shootem up on my PC
Highflyer_GP
Honorary Master
I love the way some people contradict themselves by saying that the optical medium matters in a console, and then go on to say that it doesn't matter because they'd rather have a Wii. Does the Wii come with a BR drive? So then why the fuss over the 360's drive? It now costs less than a Wii anyway. Gaming consoles are bought for gaming, not for their home entertainment ability. I'm getting tired of saying this because it just seems to go over most people's heads.
DominionZA
Executive Member
I just want to see Live in SA. That is all that counts to me. XBox BR, HD-DVD, DVD, No HDD, BIG HDD, Arcade... As long as it's an XBox360 and hooked up to live (not for download, but for gaming) we are sorted. The rest is just a plus.
Full HD is actually 1080pnot 1080i. But if you are buying a TV and you are only going to watch DSTV, SABC, ETV or DVDs then why bother? Only buy HD if you need it or want to waste money being an early adopter.
Blu-Ray is not HD, it is a format that happens to support HD. Why get a console that supports HD if you don't need it? If someone wants to buy a Wii because he likes the games on a Wii the firstly he doesn't need an HD TV because the Wii is not HD. The only consoles currently on the market that support HD are the Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3. As to which supports HD better can be argued until the cows come home but they both technically support 1080p. The Xbox 360 just has one significant advantage in being able to support anti-aliasing at 1080p where the PS3 doesn't due to its video architecture.
I play many HD games and they fit just fine on a DVD. Maybe movies without all the bells and whistles can't fit on a DVD but we aren't talking about movies.
Its available, just not officially.
Oh bollocks, it isnt. We dont have an SA presense at all. We all use the UK servers. Thats not the definition of unofficial support, that is the definition of no support. Thats like saying product X is unoffically available in SA cause you can fly overseas and buy on and bring it back.
Its only saving grace is that it is a peer network, so we can actually use these work arounds. But it still mitigates about 50% of lives features, of which we pay 100% for (I am talking movie downloads, cheap local bandwidth for downloads, mismatched regional ranked maches, streaming clips, etc)
Sorry, one other thing on this whole WII el crappo issue.
You can pick up XBOX games not even a year old for 150-200 bucks.
Now that is cheaper than a PC game of the same type. To my knowledge PS3 and WII dont do this. Also, XBOX has their classic range of games for cheap cheap too.
So now we have a R2K console, with games for 150-200 bucks, that doubles as a first rate HTS. WII doesnt do that, PS3 doesnt do that.
As usual MS pull through with diversity, you keep the same next gen console power, and sacrifice peripherals, which could always be upgraded at a later stage, customised for the user. A PS2 retail for about 1700, that has the same peripherals as the XBOX Arcade. You do the math, it is the best value for money.
Plus the trend for games seems to be to dev for the XBOX and port to other platforms from there. This can be seen with the performance issues related to PS3 ports and PC ports. Cause the XBOX is so damm easy to dev on. Because of the PS3's complexity the abstraction layer to the engine has to jump through hoops and they never quite pull off the optimizations you see on the XBOX. Sure you can argue, but it is possible on other consoles, and yeah it is. But just not viable, and not the route devs are taking.
I read too that they are working on a blu ray version.
Lastly on image quality. XBOX does a native 720p render, PS3 does a 180p. Before you jump up and down about how wonderful the PS3 is consider this. At 720p XBOX can do a native 4x AA at little to no cost to framerate wrt to processing power. At 1080p you get double to pixels, and it is computationally too expensive to pull this off. The human eye cant realistically tell the difference between 1080p and 720p in a moving picture, but however can see the difference between AA and no AA, which is why XBOX games look graphically better than the PS3 version of the same game (Dont argue this, it is not subjective, it is a fact)
Conclusion:
You can buy a wii, which is the old game cube with a fancy controller.
You can buy a PS3 that for all its numbers, produces inferior games at a high console price
You can buy an XBOX that does everything both consoles can do for less than both, with the cheapest games.
You can pick up XBOX games not even a year old for 150-200 bucks.
Now that is cheaper than a PC game of the same type. To my knowledge PS3 and WII dont do this. Also, XBOX has their classic range of games for cheap cheap too.
So now we have a R2K console, with games for 150-200 bucks, that doubles as a first rate HTS. WII doesnt do that, PS3 doesnt do that.
As usual MS pull through with diversity, you keep the same next gen console power, and sacrifice peripherals, which could always be upgraded at a later stage, customised for the user. A PS2 retail for about 1700, that has the same peripherals as the XBOX Arcade. You do the math, it is the best value for money.
Plus the trend for games seems to be to dev for the XBOX and port to other platforms from there. This can be seen with the performance issues related to PS3 ports and PC ports. Cause the XBOX is so damm easy to dev on. Because of the PS3's complexity the abstraction layer to the engine has to jump through hoops and they never quite pull off the optimizations you see on the XBOX. Sure you can argue, but it is possible on other consoles, and yeah it is. But just not viable, and not the route devs are taking.
I read too that they are working on a blu ray version.
Lastly on image quality. XBOX does a native 720p render, PS3 does a 180p. Before you jump up and down about how wonderful the PS3 is consider this. At 720p XBOX can do a native 4x AA at little to no cost to framerate wrt to processing power. At 1080p you get double to pixels, and it is computationally too expensive to pull this off. The human eye cant realistically tell the difference between 1080p and 720p in a moving picture, but however can see the difference between AA and no AA, which is why XBOX games look graphically better than the PS3 version of the same game (Dont argue this, it is not subjective, it is a fact)
Conclusion:
You can buy a wii, which is the old game cube with a fancy controller.
You can buy a PS3 that for all its numbers, produces inferior games at a high console price
You can buy an XBOX that does everything both consoles can do for less than both, with the cheapest games.
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GavinMannion
Executive Member
@Slappy, just a minor alteration. There are full 1080p Xbox 360 games as well. But like you said it's pointless 
@Slappy, just a minor alteration. There are full 1080p Xbox 360 games as well. But like you said it's pointless
Well yes and no...mostly no.
XBOX renders natively at 720p and upscales to 1080p so all the difficult work is done at 720p, then it is just scaling up the image buffer to whatever res is needed.
At least that my understanding. Might be misinformed. Not too sure if the PS3 does the converse of this or not (I.E.:Render at 1080p and downscale)
Interestingly enough, to show how peeps are playing around with this, apparantly Halo 3 wanted focus on lighting effects, so they rendered a lower res than 720p, but rendered to a dual frame buffers (2 renders of the same scene with different pipelines and effects), then used the 2 images to do some nifty HDR image processing (Low Dynaimc range and High Dynamic Range), then finally upscaling to whatever res. Which is why Halo looks a little jaggered, but has awesome lighting effects.
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johandutoit2000
Senior Member
I must be old then (35). What can be better than installing a tennis court, baseball field, bowling ally, golf course and boxing ring in your living room for R2900.
I exercise like a maniac on Wii every night. I sweat and suffer far more than in the gym. Wii is the best thing since the mobile phone.
What you are talking about, is not gaming. It is an unhealthy obsession, which wastes your precious time and money and causes immorality to spiral out of control within our society. Get a Wii and get of your time wasting ass.
....oh and double the insult back that you would definitely throw back.
Hehehe... no you are absolutely right. But what bothers me about the system is that is is SO damm expensive for what you are getting. It is redundant hardware, and as far as the controller goes, it is a basic accelerometer to sense acceleration, duh, and Infrared LEDS for positioning so no expensive hardware there. That goes against my principles. Cause to me you are just being ripped off. They could have quite easily made hardware advancements plugged in an entertainment system which is software. A DVD drive. And still kept the same cost. Trust me, I am dying to get a WII and see what everyone is on about (the demo in the shop doesnt do it justice.) But at that price they can keep the damm thing.
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