Yet another Kremlin opposer killed

[Palimino]

Why would Mossad, if it were them, even bother with making it look like an accident if it isn't necessary to do so anymore? Do the job dirty and ensure the right image comes out in the media.

It’s hard to be sloppy if you are efficient (it’s not as if removing the duct tape would be onerous). Besides, duct-taped victims reflect badly on the ‘rule of law’ image that America likes to portray. Common American citizens would begin to have serious doubts about their country and the spin imparted by TV. If this became commonplace, it would be a PR disaster.

 

[Alan]

The objective is to stop critics (unless you feel Russia gets a thrill). Russian methods are crude but effective (America probably envies them). American methods are more refined, but just as effective.

It’s like SA. Apartheid critics would have experienced the American model. ANC critics experience the Russian model.

The question still remains. Do you consider it the same as killing somebody?

He is a high-profile personality who is media savvy (producer, director, etc.) Embarrassing questions would be asked although an ‘accidental’ car accident or mishap is not out of the question.

He had to get there in the first place. Why was he not snuffed out earlier? What's the point of targeting nobodies who're never heard anyway.

 

[Palimino]

The question still remains. Do you consider it the same as killing somebody?

If the Russians had a better way of stopping critics, they would use it. There is too much bad PR associated with the old, trusty, KGB methods of the previous USSR in the new dispensation.

He had to get there in the first place. Why was he not snuffed out earlier? What's the point of targeting nobodies who're never heard anyway.

I’m sure ‘nobodies’ are targeted. You never hear of them because they’re ‘nobodies’.

 

[Alan]

If the Russians had a better way of stopping critics, they would use it. There is too much bad PR associated with the old, trusty, KGB methods of the previous USSR in the new dispensation.

Poisoning somebody's tea with a radioactive substance in a foreign country is better PR than "petty harassments "

I’m sure ‘nobodies’ are targeted. You never hear of them because they’re ‘nobodies’.

How was Michael Moore and legions of others like him able to become so high profile?

 

[Palimino]

Poisoning somebody's tea with a radioactive substance in a foreign country is better PR than "petty harassments "

And you know this how? It couldn’t be that your favourite media teat had a vested interest. Fie!

How was Michael Moore and legions of others like him able to become so high profile?

<shrugs> How does anyone become high profile. Read his biography if you are curious.

 

[d0b33]

Here's a mysterious death from the UK. David Kelly - biological weapons expert.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

Another "suicide"....

 

[Arbiter]

The average person is busy and also slightly (majorly) lazy. After a hard day's work, he isn't going to sit behind his computer and follow some bread crumbs to find the truth.

All he sees is the story on the TV about the guy somewhere who accidentally died somehow. Moves along.

Any information that is not spoonfed through the TV or newspapers, is lost on 99% of the world.

But you're right, they are efficient.

Scary thing is, it's becoming easier to control what appears on the trusty TV than to make an assassination look like an accident.

 

[Sackboy]

If the Russians had a better way of stopping critics, they would use it. There is too much bad PR associated with the old, trusty, KGB methods of the previous USSR in the new dispensation.



I’m sure ‘nobodies’ are targeted. You never hear of them because they’re ‘nobodies’.

Especially when the radioactive substance used can be had over the internet from ... where ... yes the US of A. Ha ha.

 

[Alan]

And you know this how? It couldn’t be that your favourite media teat had a vested interest. Fie!

*tinfoil hat*

It was flu :erm:

<shrugs> How does anyone become high profile. Read his biography if you are curious.

Evidently they weren't impeded by the administration as you claim happens to dissenters

 

[w1z4rd]

You are getting involved in semantic nit-pickery. The American style is not to shoot critics (they do not have the control of the population that Russia has). The IRS would investigate the victim for income tax evasion. Local schools would ‘mysteriously’ be unable to accommodate children. ‘Errors’ would occur on bank statements and utility bills. Electricity and water would be ‘mysteriously’ cut (with apologies). Petty harassments like that.

Nope, we getting involved in the facts. Schools were a threat to the White House? So we are comparing apples to rotten potatoes.

More nit-pickery. America supported Georgia (even after the slaughter in S. Ossetia). This implies (where you get ‘lost’) that anything that Georgia or it’s weasel president did was OK.

Still does not make what you said true.

 

[Palimino]

Nope, we getting involved in the facts.

What? Where?

Schools were a threat to the White House?

They were? Do tell.

Still does not make what you said true.

How? America supports Georgia. Georgia shells S. Ossetia and kills those who object to Georgia’s weasel president. America still supports Georgia and whines about the temerity of those wishing to be loose of Georgia’s grip. Kill them! That’ll larn them.

 

[w1z4rd]

What? Where?

Oh my gawd. Lets go over this step by step very carefully. You seem to be being deliberate obtrusive but I will give you the benefit of the doubt... and assume there has being a genuine communication error somewhere along the line. Im totally willing to accept that it was me that misunderstood something in all of this which is very possible.

Remember this subject is about Russians who oppose the Kremlins being killed off in dramatic numbers. So lets start with your quote which is:

I tend towards that view. The West is just as scumbaggy except that because of their ideology, they are more adept at concealing scumbaggery. With all the propaganda, misdirection, etc. about covert operations, you would never discern any truth anywhere anyway. My view is to privilege human rights – that (at least) is transparent.

Basically in that phrase on the subject of the Kremlin opposer's being killed, you say the white house are similar except in ideology. The White House are no angels and have their share of dirty works, but I dont recall dozens of American humanitarian aid workers and american journalists being killed because of their anti-white house political views. So I dont understand how you can compare the two so I ask:

Could you give me a list of American journalists and humanitarian aid workers the American government has killed in the last 10 years for opposing the white house?

I can give you a dozen that have mysteriously died in Russia in the last couple of months.

I just want to make sure we are being reasonable in this discussion and not comparing apples with rotten potatoes.

In this question I want you to show me how the White House is the same as the Kremlin in killing off American journalists and aid workers. If they are the same then there should be a similar amount of American aid workers, journalists and politicians being killed off. Since I dont believe they are the same and am a natural skeptic I ask you in the above quote to show me the names or reports of the americans you seem to believe the white house is killing off. Im not stuck on my opinion and with the right evidence will change it, so before I can accept your line. I need evidence of dozens of aid workers and journalists being killed.

I then offer to do research for you and bring up dozens of Russian journalists, aid workers and politicians that have been killed over the last couple of months.. all whom appose the Kremlin. I am willing to back up my opinion with the information I have at hand.

To which you reply:

You are getting involved in semantic nit-pickery.

Which is basically a cop out of your earlier opinion which you then redefine... by saying:

The American style is not to shoot critics (they do not have the control of the population that Russia has). The IRS would investigate the victim for income tax evasion. Local schools would ‘mysteriously’ be unable to accommodate children. ‘Errors’ would occur on bank statements and utility bills. Electricity and water would be ‘mysteriously’ cut (with apologies).

So Americans dont kill off journalists and aid workers that oppose the White House.. so your comment by saying that Americans and Russians confirms my opinion that you were comparing apples with rotten potatoes. You do however indicate that Americans harass people by.. "shutting off their water. One wonders how Michael Moore was ever able to bath under GW`s regime.

In the above statement you bring children and schools into the conversation of opposing the white house. Hence my question (did you not notice the question mark? as I was trying to clarify what you were trying to say):

Nope, we getting involved in the facts. Schools were a threat to the White House?

Since you seem to think the American government goes after kids in school I wanted clarity on this statement as I now was completely 100% lost at how on earth you get from a journalist getting killed, to kids and school.

To which you reply:

They were? Do tell.

At this point I did a /facepalm

How? America supports Georgia. Georgia shells S. Ossetia and kills those who object to Georgia’s weasel president. America still supports Georgia and whines about the temerity of those wishing to be loose of Georgia’s grip. Kill them! That’ll larn them.

I cant take comments like this seriously at all. So I dont know how to respond to this really interesting point of view. I dont approve of how either Russia or Georgia handled the situation.. the people in that area suffered for a government penis comparison.

I dont understand your train of thought, logic or reason in your discussion or how you use the balance of evidence... I guess we have different methods of reason or something?

Please help clarify your thought processes for me so I have can get an inkle of the reasoning that lead to your opinions. Calling it "nit picking" is a cop out. Im a skeptic.. we`re well known to follow the finer details to understand the bigger picture and by avoiding to answer those finer details we can not build the same bigger picture you have created.

 

[Palimino]

Remember this subject is about Russians who oppose the Kremlins being killed off in dramatic numbers.

My point was that Russia and America use different methods to achieve the same objective (don’t construct sandy foundations). Russia kills critics, America harasses them until they stop (you can’t fight city hall). Different methods – same outcome.

In the above statement you bring children and schools into the conversation of opposing the white house. Hence my question (did you not notice the question mark? as I was trying to clarify what you were trying to say):

Refusing your children access to schools is a method of harassing the **adult**, critic parents. Semantic nit-pickrey – what I said.

I cant take comments like this seriously at all. So I dont know how to respond to this really interesting point of view.

A cop-out of epic proportions.

Please help clarify your thought processes for me so I have can get an inkle of the reasoning that lead to your opinions.

I hope this helps.

 

[Sackboy]

My point was that Russia and America use different methods to achieve the same objective (don’t construct sandy foundations). Russia kills critics, America harasses them until they stop (you can’t fight city hall). Different methods – same outcome.



Refusing your children access to schools is a method of harassing the **adult**, critic parents. Semantic nit-pickrey – what I said.



A cop-out of epic proportions.



I hope this helps.

We're still awaiting the evidence for that. Maybe Mossad have a bigger list?