Your first time

tau1z said:
ur logic is idiotic. But ok, off the top of my head...
If i have sex outside of marriage, but with the same person 3 times a week for 3 years. Then get married, if i am a creature of habit as you say, then surely I would still have sex with the same person as I have been doing for the past 3 years?

There...proven using your logic.
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Try again. The point is, if you can't remain faithful, not only to your partner but yourself also, before marriage, then you will carry that unfaithfulness into marriage.
 
How is having sex before marriage being unfaithfulness to myself? Lemme guess, you're a religious nutter, its the only justification for such 'logic'.
 
xrapidx said:
How is having sex before marriage being unfaithfulness to myself? Lemme guess, you're a religious nutter, its the only justification for such 'logic'.
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Dude, have you ever heard of a guy who steals from himself? What about lying to himself? What about not keeping to the commitments and plans he has made? Unfaithfulness has many manifestations. What has religion got to do with it?
 
Johnone said:
Since when is sex foundational for marriage. Shouldn't, ideally, sex flow out of love and commitment. Doesn't love and commitment spell marriage?
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Sex is not a foundation, but if the sex is not working, it can break a marriage apart.
Love and commitment doesnt equate to marriage. You can love someone, and be committed to them, without being married.

And what is this talk about compatibility again? So you're thinking like a guy and sex is pure physical for you? If sex then is just a physical excitement then why the need for compatibilty? A man can have sex with any woman and enjoy himself. A woman, on the other hand, can speak about compatibility, cause sex for woman is an expression of love and trust and commitment. Woman in general tend to commit to only one partner: Mr Compatible.
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Sex is both physical and emotional. I can tell you right now that a man just having sex does not mean he enjoys himself. I have definitely had that, I am sure others have too.
Lol, so woman dont have sex for enjoyment? They use it just as a spiritual bonding thing? What crap are you on about?

Sexual desire dwindles over time anyways. So stating that sleeping together before marriage to make the marriage work is fallacious. Tell me your views. What is the foundation for marriage according to you?
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It may dwindle, but it doesnt have to die.I didnt say you had to sleep together before marriage, just that it might help make the marriage work.
Marriage is a life long commitment to another partner, to remain faithful and support each other in all things. As I said, sex is a small part when its great, when its not, it can be this big issue that drives you apart

You may insult me by calling my view outdated and primitive, but what other option do you suggest? Would you teach your kids to sleep around until they find a sexual match before they get married? Would you recommend your daughter to live with several men before she spots Mr Right? Do you teach and enforce sexual promiscuity on your kids - knowing diseases such as HIV/Aids exist?
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Sleep around? No, would i advise them that if they have found someone they love and are compatible with in everyother way to live together and sleep together before marriage? Most definitely.
You dont have to be sexually promiscuious to do this either.

My views me be outdated and primitive in your eyes, but yours are barbaric in mine.
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Barbaric? How so? You seem to struggle with the fact that you can have sex outside of marriage and not be a bad person. You also make ridiculous claims that sex, before marriage ruins marriages.
How about the fact that we are naturally curious people, and that we all want what we cant have. Surely if you have only had sex with one person, this might contribute to ruining a marriage and causing infidelity? IF you have only eaten one thing, how do you know something else is not better?
 
Johnone said:
Try again. The point is, if you can't remain faithful, not only to your partner but yourself also, before marriage, then you will carry that unfaithfulness into marriage.
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u must be trolling. Try again? Why, because i proved that your silly little logic is idiotic at best?
Why does my example not hold? Or is try again the best you have?

Ok, so if i have sex with someone before marriage, am completely faithful with this person, then marry this person. Why can i not be faithful in marriage? Your logic still fails
even if i have multiple partners before marriage, if i do not cheat on that partner whilst i am with them, I have been faithful the entire time, then surely that makes your point ridiculous?
 
Johnone said:
So, you don't understand me and proceed to lie to yourself by calling me crazy to justify your unfaithfulness ;-)
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I will proceed to call you a trolling idiot who has no understanding of logic. You are calling him unfaithful because he has sex before marriage? Prove he has been unfaithful to his partner! U cant? What a surprise!
You need to understand what being faithful actually is. ise...
 
Johnone said:
So, you don't understand me and proceed to lie to yourself by calling me crazy to justify your unfaithfulness ;-)
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Yip... I need to justify my unfaithfulness to myself.... thanks for the excuse - I apologized to myself, and myself and I decided its ok - we're both in an open relationship, and can screw whoever we want.
 
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tau1z said:
I will proceed to call you a trolling idiot who has no understanding of logic. You are calling him unfaithful because he has sex before marriage? Prove he has been unfaithful to his partner! U cant? What a surprise!
You need to understand what being faithful actually is. ise...
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No no - you're missing his point... I've been unfaithfull to myself by having sex before marriage, not to my partner.
 
Its as Jeremy Clarkson always says

Doing a review of cars isn't enough, you need to have an ongoing "review" with your car ie how is your car like on a day to day basis in the long term?

you may like car x, but car x may have ****ty interior build quality, something you can only find out after a couple of years of usage.

sex isn't everything, but isn't nothing neither. Sexual compatibility is a huge thing for our generation, so it does count for something?

I'm not saying that you should live with your partner before committing, I'm saying that its safer.

PS marrying someone before you've had sex with them is a bigger leap of faith than marrying someone after you've had sex with them. which is why religious people may find the former easier to do, me personally live by the latter.
 
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xrapidx said:
No no - you're missing his point... I've been unfaithfull to myself by having sex before marriage, not to my partner.
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ah...geez, how do you live with yourself man? That guilt must be eating you up inside.
 
tau1z said:
ah...geez, how do you live with yourself man? That guilt must be eating you up inside.
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It is - I'm scared I get caught by myself cheating on myself... it'll be like dividing by zero....
 
Johnone said:
if A is sex before marriage; and B is living together and C is destruction of marriage, then A+B does not necessarily equal C. But it might. There's probably no way of proving cause and effect so all evidence is anecdotal.

So I don't have prove. (Sorry for my incorrect use of language).

But (and this is where you'll have to listen), human being are creatures of habit. Commit sex outside of marriage, then when your in one it will be hard to resist to have sex outside of marriage. I might be wrong, but now you have a opportunity to prove me wrong.
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Are you Fscking kidding me ? Rza is that you ?

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My first time was quite funny. went to a friends party and was on the way to her place to have dinner with the family. we stopped off at a little koppie hill near her home as she wanted to have a smoke before she got home. In this koppie was a little cave where she used to do her smoking and so we went in there, in case her parents by chance came past and seen her. I couldn't understand this as it was getting quite dark and we were actually away from the road. anyway things happened.. was quite uncomfortable on the stones etc in this little cave. The funny part is when we finished, it was quite dark and so quickly drove to her place and walked in. Her mother was like "what happened to you two?" As I looked in the mirror we were both absolutely filthy which we hadn't noticed in the flash of the moment the only excuse I could come up with is that we were playing touch rugby at a friends place in a veld. Don't think she believed me though.

anyway didn't really matter as I married her daughter a couple of years afterwards and we still happily married. :D
 
tau1z said:
Sex is not a foundation, but if the sex is not working, it can break a marriage apart.
Love and commitment doesnt equate to marriage. You can love someone, and be committed to them, without being married.



Sex is both physical and emotional. I can tell you right now that a man just having sex does not mean he enjoys himself. I have definitely had that, I am sure others have too.
Lol, so woman dont have sex for enjoyment? They use it just as a spiritual bonding thing? What crap are you on about?



It may dwindle, but it doesnt have to die.I didnt say you had to sleep together before marriage, just that it might help make the marriage work.
Marriage is a life long commitment to another partner, to remain faithful and support each other in all things. As I said, sex is a small part when its great, when its not, it can be this big issue that drives you apart



Sleep around? No, would i advise them that if they have found someone they love and are compatible with in everyother way to live together and sleep together before marriage? Most definitely.
You dont have to be sexually promiscuious to do this either.



Barbaric? How so? You seem to struggle with the fact that you can have sex outside of marriage and not be a bad person. You also make ridiculous claims that sex, before marriage ruins marriages.
How about the fact that we are naturally curious people, and that we all want what we cant have. Surely if you have only had sex with one person, this might contribute to ruining a marriage and causing infidelity? IF you have only eaten one thing, how do you know something else is not better?
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Was calling ''your" views barbaric in the context of the previous paragraph. Was generalising about women (and men). (Do I have to be 100% precise in my use of language for you to understand?).

I agree with some of the stuff you say. Disagree with allowing the kids to live and sleep together before marriage, cause it's only a small part of making it a success.
You can love and be committed to someone without having sex.
 
tau1z said:
u must be trolling. Try again? Why, because i proved that your silly little logic is idiotic at best?
Why does my example not hold? Or is try again the best you have?

Ok, so if i have sex with someone before marriage, am completely faithful with this person, then marry this person. Why can i not be faithful in marriage? Your logic still fails
even if i have multiple partners before marriage, if i do not cheat on that partner whilst i am with them, I have been faithful the entire time, then surely that makes your point ridiculous?
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You see, this is where world-views clash. You're thinking purely from a Western world-view that states sex before marriage even with one gal is ok, whereas I'm saying, if you can't wait till commiting to marriage, then your unfaithful to yourself. You might not understand this, but the Western world isn't the only one in existance.
 
ISP cash cow said:
My first time was quite funny. went to a friends party and was on the way to her place to have dinner with the family. we stopped off at a little koppie hill near her home as she wanted to have a smoke before she got home. In this koppie was a little cave where she used to do her smoking and so we went in there, in case her parents by chance came past and seen her. I couldn't understand this as it was getting quite dark and we were actually away from the road. anyway things happened.. was quite uncomfortable on the stones etc in this little cave. The funny part is when we finished, it was quite dark and so quickly drove to her place and walked in. Her mother was like "what happened to you two?" As I looked in the mirror we were both absolutely filthy which we hadn't noticed in the flash of the moment the only excuse I could come up with is that we were playing touch rugby at a friends place in a veld. Don't think she believed me though.

anyway didn't really matter as I married her daughter a couple of years afterwards and we still happily married. :D
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