sparticus
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Illegal occupation and use of force. Maybe you lived as a privileged person back in the day but the struggle was very real for many of us.
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Illegal occupation and use of force. Maybe you lived as a privileged person back in the day but the struggle was very real for many of us.
sparticus
Expert Member
Oh wait a min , it was justified , the previous superior regime did us backward people a favor.
And before the illegal settlements into occupied territories who attacked who?
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
marine, you honestly think kicking a kid is justified? Or killing civilians to find the kidnapped teenagers?
That's like someone kicking down your door and shooting you because someone remotely geographically close to you possibly kidnapped someone.
That's like someone kicking down your door and shooting you because someone remotely geographically close to you possibly kidnapped someone.
lived666
Executive Member
Except this video is 2 years old and has no relevance to the kidnapping of the Israeli teens.
Because you are equating ANC to Palestine, fighting apartheid ( Israel ) to regain their land which was unjustly taken away from them.
Where did the Jews live prior to the Roman & later Arab occupation of Palestine?
As far as I know the Palestinians as a country didn't attack anyone?
Lee Bennie as well. And in the Cape, Lisa Chiat. Remarkable coincidence. Lisa I can live without, but Lee Bennie was a pro!
Are you on drugs?
When the Palestinians were given control of Gaza, they bombarded southern Israel with thousands of rockets. That's a direct attack 'as a country' (there is no country called Palestine).
Well the Gazans are pretty much all Egyptian by descent.
Nope, it was an attack by terrorist elements living in the occupied territories. There was a territory called Palestine before the 1948 Arab/Isreali war. Gaza is not and has never been a Palestinian state, it is an occupied territory.
The illegal settlements are a logical progression from a decision made in Basle in 1897 that the native inhabitants of Palestine should be dispossessed and expelled to make way for the establishment of a Jewish homeland. All that is happening now is the steady enlargement of what was seized in 1948.
Yes. There was a state called Palestine in 1948. There was also supposed to be one post 1948. But the Arabs didn't accept the deal (nor have they since). Instead, Palestine got nicely sliced up between Egypt, Syria and Jordan. They had 20 years to establish a Palestinian state (in the so called pre-1967 borders) and guess what? It didn't happen. Instead they chose to keep attacking Israel.
Gaza is a self governed entity. There are no Israelis (read Jews) in Gaza. So by whom exactly is it occupied, if not Palestinians?
I suppose the first and second intifadas were also "terrorist elements living in the occupied territories"?
I suppose the hundreds of thousands of residents that line the streets of Palestinian cities to celebrate their terrorists and events (including 9/11) are also just "terrorist elements living in the occupied territories"?
I see you're a little confused.
In 1948 Egypt seized the Sinai, Jordan seized the East Bank and East Jerusalem, and Syria seized the Golan Heights. Those were the only 'seizures'.
The point I was trying to make is that when looking at the Palestinian/Isreali conflict "Arab" gets used as a catch all term to excuse the oppression of Palestinians. Your statement "The Arabs didn't accept the deal" shows your bias, you see two sides in the region - Arabs and Jews when in fact the term "arab" covers a huge amount of people all with very different backgrounds in terms of culture and society.
The attacks by Egypt, Syria and Jordan on Israel are not the same as attacks by Palestinians on Israel. I agree that terrorism out of the occupied territories is deplorable but you cannot justify the oppression of Palestinians simply by saying "the Arabs started it"
As to the status of Gaza, it may not have Isreali soldiers stationed within but it is certainly not treated as an independent state.
David Ben-Gurion's declaration of the State of Israel on 14 May 1948 was the culmination of half a century of aggression against the natives and the seizure of their homeland.
lived666
Executive Member
And Jordan, est 1946 in the bulk of what was then the Palestine mandate, you don't appear to mind Jordan taking over the bulk of the Palestine mandate, why is that?
Riiiiight, nothing to do with UN resolutions or anything
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Yes, but the civilians who have been killed during the search for the teens happened now.
Anyway, I was just asking marine whether he thinks it's actually justified. He seems to have a "anything goes" policy. I find that objectionable.