ZA Bitcoin Mining Pool

It's not a scam, but I feel it is rather pointless to do bitcoing mining when you're not contributing to anything, and the value of the bitcoins degrade way too fast to make it sustainable.
 
Bottom line: they're only worth about $5 right now, it's simply not economically viable to mine them.

Nope but they can only one way which is up i hope because i spent 10k on vga cards for it, got back 1.3k so far but still if i had just got in 3-4 months earlier i would paid the cards off and made some profit. They were at 30 dollars at one stage.

The thing is people who have never done it are the ones claiming it's a scam.
 
Nope but they can only one way which is up i hope because i spent 10k on vga cards for it, got back 1.3k so far but still if i had just got in 3-4 months earlier i would paid the cards off and made some profit. They were at 30 dollars at one stage.

The thing is people who have never done it are the ones claiming it's a scam.

Eish, should have put your money in Gold.
 
Bitcoin implodes, falls more than 90 percent from June peak

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...-down-more-than-90-percent-from-june-peak.ars

Bitcoin implodes, falls more than 90 percent from June peak

Bitcoin, the world's first peer-to-peer digital currency, fell below $3 on Monday. That represents a 90 percent fall since the currency hit its peak in early June.

Supporters argue that Bitcoin has fundamental advantages over conventional currencies. The system is designed to transfer funds without a central authority, freeing Bitcoin users from bank fees and government regulations. The Bitcoin protocol offers robust anonymity, and the protocol guarantees that there will never be more than 21 million Bitcoins in existence, which supporters have argued would give the currency a stable value.

Unfortunately, the currency's value hasn't proven stable in practice. Several waves of media coverage between April and June pushed the currency's value up from less than $1 to more than $30. Soon after it reached a peak, the currency had a series of PR disasters. One Bitcoin user claimed that a half-million dollars worth of Bitcoins were stolen from his PC; he may have fallen victim to Bitcoin-stealing malware. A few days later, the most popular Bitcoin exchange was hacked, forcing a multiday suspension of trading and generating another wave of bad press.

Trading resumed in late June at around $17, and the currency's value has been steadily declining ever since. In August, one of the most popular Bitcoin "banks" claimed it had been hacked, and had lost hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of Bitcoins, triggering a fall in value to under $7. Bitcoin fell below $5 in September, and it is now worth less than $3.

So is Bitcoin doomed? The value of Bitcoins is (like any fiat currency) ultimately driven by supply and demand. With dollars, the supply is controlled by the Federal Reserve, and the demand is driven by the size of the US economy. The supply of Bitcoins grows automatically, asymptotically approaching 21 million, and the demand for Bitcoins is driven by the volume of Bitcoin-denominated transactions.

And that's Bitcoin's fundamental challenge: as far as we can tell, the volume of Bitcoin-denominated transactions is tiny. True, there are a few hundred merchants who say they accept Bitcoin, but most of them appear to be small concerns, and almost all of them also accept dollars, euros, or another national currency. They may do only a small fraction of their business in Bitcoins.

And that's not surprising. While Bitcoin doesn't have any formal transaction fees, transacting in Bitcoins carries risks that dealing in dollars or euros does not. If users store Bitcoins on their PCs, there's a risk that malware will gain access to their wallets and steal their funds. Conversely, if they put their Bitcoins in an "e-wallet" service online like MyBitcoin, there's a risk that that service will have a security breach, or that the owners of the service will themselves turn out to be crooks.

There are also risks due to volatility. For example, Bitcoins lost about 15 percent of their value on Monday between 8am and noon on the East Coast. Someone who bought Bitcoins on Monday morning expecting to spend them on Monday afternoon might find that Bitcoin-denominated prices had suddenly risen by 15 percent. The 2 percent transaction fee on credit cards might seem downright reasonable in comparison.

The current value of Bitcoin—just under $3—is still significantly above the April price of around $1. It's theoretically possible that the volume of Bitcoin commerce will grow enough to halt the slide in the currency's value. But the value of a currency is built on its reputation, and five months of bad news and depreciation have done serious damage. Indeed, the mood on Bitcoin forums has turned grim, with Bitcoin fans giving one another pep talks and debating how low the price can fall before the currency is declared dead. It'll be difficult to pull out of that kind of tailspin.

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LOL @ all the fools who wasted time and money on this! :D
 
If only i had got in earlier could have made an absolute killing.

Gary how many bitcoins have you mined? were you able to get paid for the ones you did?

If i had got in 3 months earlier i could have made so much money actually.

You called it a scam gary but how could it be a scam if there was no outlay other than hardware which makes me believe you don't know much about it. Besides all that bitcoins did was put my graphics cards to work when i am not gaming so where is the wasted money? Surely it can't be a scam if you get paid :eek:. Then again you would know because you cashed in some coins right?

What graphics card have you got gary?
 
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could someone please explain in plain english how this thing works

/reads it for the first time
 
could someone please explain in plain english how this thing works

/reads it for the first time

Well if it ever gets going again or if it's ever worth while it is fairly basic.

Buy ati graphics card, download a program and start mining. You solve complex algorithms or you help solve them and you generate bitcoins. The easiest way to put is you digitally mine.

Right now at 2 dollars it is not worth it but when i got in it was 12-16 dollars and in the month or so that i had my setup i got paid out 1.3k which is not a bad returned actually. It was a direct deposit from tradehill.com. It has crashed and i don't see it coming back but people made millions off this. Some people were earning anywhere 800-1000 dollars a month mining bitcoins with a 10k setup. I just wish i had not written it off as a scam 6 months earlier because it was no scam and boy i could have made a killing.

I was very ignorant when i first heard about it and didn't take it seriously, what a mistake :(. 6 months of bitcoin mining :eek: at one point it was as high as 40 dollars. People had mining farms for bitcoins, geezuz they must have made a killing. I saw the most bitcoin by a user was 250000, that guy was a millionaire for sure. It's hacking that has been the issue though, they should have secured it better because the idea is incredibly good but the security is very poor.

They had a very good review of bitcoins on cnn a while back. That was why i looked at it again i thought if the big news channels were running a story it can't be a scam plus you never had to give anyone money for anything. Most scams involve some sort of money upfront. Anyone who still thinks bitcoin is a scam knows nothing about it and shouldn't be commenting actually because it is no scam and if it ever goes back up to 15 i will setup a mining farm for sure. SA is nice for bitcoin because our electricity is fairly cheap compared to some countries.

I saw a funny article about police in the US who raided a bitcoin farm because they thought with all the electricity usage that it was a weed farm :p
 
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They should've rather implemented something like this currency into like Folding@home, where you get credits for contributing to society, rather than just doing maths for no good cause at all.
 
They should've rather implemented something like this currency into like Folding@home, where you get credits for contributing to society, rather than just doing maths for no good cause at all.

+1
 
They should've rather implemented something like this currency into like Folding@home, where you get credits for contributing to society, rather than just doing maths for no good cause at all.

It was for a cause apparently, a digital currency.
 
If only i had got in earlier could have made an absolute killing.
Gary how many bitcoins have you mined? were you able to get paid for the ones you did?
If i had got in 3 months earlier i could have made so much money actually.
You called it a scam gary but how could it be a scam if there was no outlay other than hardware which makes me believe you don't know much about it. Besides all that bitcoins did was put my graphics cards to work when i am not gaming so where is the wasted money? Surely it can't be a scam if you get paid :eek:. Then again you would know because you cashed in some coins right?
What graphics card have you got gary?

I never got into it beyond the inital curiosity.
I could not justify laying out for additional hardware and then still having to pay extra electricity bills, etc.
Didn't seem worth it to me.
My rates and services bill has gone up from about R600 to R3600 over the last two years.
 
I never got into it beyond the inital curiosity.
I could not justify laying out for additional hardware and then still having to pay extra electricity bills, etc.
Didn't seem worth it to me.
My rates and services bill has gone up from about R600 to R3600 over the last two years.

Yup it didn't seem worth it me initially either, until i saw the story on a big news channel. It is scary how much money could have been made actually and could still be made in the future if it takes off again but i suspect after 2 odd years the bubble has burst. For the people who got in early though i can only imagine how happy they must be.

40 dollars at one stage :(, the only thing about bitcoins is it can suddenly jump 10 dollars over night. Even when i cashed my coins in at tradehill i was worried about payment but 3 days later i got a call from STD inquiring about a transfer and bam the money was in my account. I won't ever write anything off again without first doing my homework and ensuring i know without a doubt that it is a scam. Missed out big time because of that line of thinking which is not a bad thing i guess but still :(.

So i hope it jumps soon because i got 47 waiting to cash in and i won't cash them in at 2 dollars, may as well not bother and hope it jumps back up to 15 or 20
 
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Major Bitcoin exchange shuts down, blaming regulation and loss of funds

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ming-regulation-and-loss-of-funds.ars?src=fbk

Bitcoin experienced a rough night on Monday as TradeHill, the second-largest Bitcoin exchange, announced that it was closing its doors. In a statement, CEO Jered Kenna cited regulatory problems and the loss of $100,000 in a dispute with one of its payment processors as major factors in the decision. He has pledged to open a new site once these issues have been resolved.

Bitcoin is a cryptographically secure currency that operates without a central authority. It burst into mainstream attention last spring, and its value has fluctuated widely since then, reaching a high of $30 in June and a low of $2 in November. After Monday's news, the currency's value fell from $5.50 to $4.40, a decline of 20 percent.

While users can conduct transactions entirely in Bitcoins, the ability to convert easily between Bitcoins and more conventional currencies has helped to fuel the currency's popularity. In recent months, users have relied on two websites to trade Bitcoins for dollars, euros, and other conventional currencies. The leading exchange is a Japanese site called Mt.Gox. TradeHill, an American company, was its biggest competitor.

"Effective immediately TradeHill will be shutting down trading/deposits and returning all client funds," wrote TradeHill CEO Jared Kenna in a Monday post to a popular Bitcoin user forum.

Kenna cited two factors in the decision to close TradeHill. One was "increasing regulation." The other: "one of our payment processors removed over $100,000 dollars from our account without notice." Kenna says his staff has been "working without pay for several months" due to this loss of funds.

"We decided to cover this loss for now instead of passing it on to our customers and are taking legal action against the processor," he wrote.
"Increasing regulation"

In his post, Kenna didn't elaborate on the nature of the regulatory barriers he faced, writing only that "TradeHill can not operate in its current capacity without proper money transmission licensing." Unfortunately, he wasn't available to talk to Ars Technica before this story went live.

For insight on the regulatory issues Bitcoin exchanges might encounter, Ars talked to Reuben Grinberg, a recent graduate of Yale law school and the author of a new paper on the legal questions raised by Bitcoin.

Grinberg said he couldn't comment on TradeHill's specific situation without knowing more about it. But he told Ars that Kenna was most likely referring to the money-laundering provisions of the Bank Secrecy Act. The BSA "requires any person who owns or controls a money-transmitting business to register with the Treasury Department," he said. "That same act gives authority to the Treasury to determine what is a money-transmitting business, and Treasury delegated that authority to a bureau called FinCEN."

So far, FinCEN hasn't signaled how it plans to regulate Bitcoin-based businesses. "The anonymous transfer of significant wealth is obviously a money-laundering risk," a FinCEN spokesman told Bank Technology News last month. "At some level we are aware of Bitcoin and other similar operations, and we are studying the mechanism behind Bitcoin." But he didn't elaborate on how the bureau might apply the BSA to Bitcoin.

The pseudonymity of Bitcoin transactions could make it difficult to comply with American money-laundering laws. But Grinberg argued this isn't an insurmountable obstacle. He said a Bitcoin exchange may be able to satisfy the rules by collecting information about its users. That might scare off some privacy purists, but it could be acceptable to many Bitcoin users.

"A more extreme position would be almost everyone would have to register," he said. In a sense, Bitcoin itself is a money-transfer mechanism, so everyone who sends or receives Bitcoins could be construed as running a money-transfer service. If FinCEN required every Bitcoin user to register, that "would effectively make Bitcoin illegal in the US," Grinberg said.

He questioned whether regulatory concerns were the real reason for the shutdown of TradeHill, however, suggesting that the other revelation in Kenna's post—the fact that the startup had lost $100,000 in a dispute with a payment processor—might have been a fatal blow in and of itself. Indeed, Tradehill may simply have run out of money. (Kenna has said that all TradeHill clients will get their money back.)

In any event, there has been no sign that the leading Bitcoin exchange, Mt.Gox, has run afoul of the same regulatory issues TradeHill says it encountered. It was still operating on Tuesday, and there was no comment on TradeHill's shutdown on the Mt.Gox website. For now, at least, Bitcoin users can still swap Bitcoins for conventional currencies with minimum hassle.

Disclosure: The author is long Bitcoins.
 
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