Zen 2 Prices

Swa said:
You can't actually compare private import to local prices. For one thing it's already taxed and then taxed again when it gets here. Suppliers get it from the manufacturer in the country of origin so it only gets taxed once it gets here. Best is to look at the MRSP and there we are been ripped a new one on most hardware with single distributors.
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No, it gets claimed back by the company exporting.
 
Every link in the chain adds VAT..... weclome to the world of hidden taxes
 
RedViking said:
And of course you have no local support for the product and warranty.
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Not true.

Amazon provides full warranty with imported goods. They'll either send you a replacement, or ask that you send the item back to them at your own cost. Once they've received and processed, you can provide them with the invoice for the shipping cost, and they'll refund you the shipping cost and send your replacement.

Most of the time they just send you a replacement as it's cheaper.

Really wish they'd get approval for a CT warehouse. Would make things so much easier, no Aramex to deal with. They could import everything directly themselves. Of course, local business would have a heart attack so it will never happen.
 
rambo919 said:
Every link in the chain adds VAT..... weclome to the world of hidden taxes
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Well, the only one who pays VAT is the end consumer, every other business will claim it back. If importing from US, you wouldn't get sales tax included if importing it (unless you're not claiming it back).

The_Imp_ZA said:
Not true.

Amazon provides full warranty with imported goods. They'll either send you a replacement, or ask that you send the item back to them at your own cost. Once they've received and processed, you can provide them with the invoice for the shipping cost, and they'll refund you the shipping cost and send your replacement.

Most of the time they just send you a replacement as it's cheaper.

Really wish they'd get approval for a CT warehouse. Would make things so much easier, no Aramex to deal with. They could import everything directly themselves. Of course, local business would have a heart attack so it will never happen.
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The South African market is too small I think, would need to expand a bit more before Amazon would invest.
 
Johnatan56 said:
No, it gets claimed back by the company exporting.
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There is no claiming back. If you buy from Amazon for instance you pay the duties that it cost them plus the duties SARS charges.
 
Well I checked Newegg and...
Subtotal: R3,633.99Est.
VAT: R545.10
Shipping: R379.98

So... R4559.07

So that's a R40 saving, but you'll probably wait longer.

But yeah. Somehow our local prices always end up reflecting international retailer prices (after their wholesale price which I assume includes import costs there + profit) + shipping (single unit to SA) + Tax. Even though they surely do not import cards 1 unit at a time themselves. Surely not. Maybe the problem is our local wholesalers. Who knows?.. It used to seem more sane before Sahara (RIP) and Guptanomics started playing a role. Prices were more equal on the exchange.
 
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Johnatan56 said:
Well, the only one who pays VAT is the end consumer, every other business will claim it back. If importing from US, you wouldn't get sales tax included if importing it (unless you're not claiming it back).
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Yes but every claim back is in isolation, each link claims back what it put in.... but the inflated price still gets passed on. Eventually the customer pays the VAT for each link combined. And of course percentages being what they are with each link the VAT amount gets larger.
 
Swa said:
There is no claiming back. If you buy from Amazon for instance you pay the duties that it cost them plus the duties SARS charges.
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Amazon won't charge you the sales tax of the country if exporting. They do already add estimated VAT if you're on the final page and have the address added.
If they did, you can claim it back from the country in question.

This is US, https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=202036190, but same applies.

rambo919 said:
Yes but every claim back is in isolation, each link claims back what it put in.... but the inflated price still gets passed on. Eventually the customer pays the VAT for each link combined. And of course percentages being what they are with each link the VAT amount gets larger.
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They'll pay the VAT of the final item, you don't add your margins to the VAT, you add it to the product price. It's still the same percentage of the product price no matter where in the chain.
 
Johnatan56 said:
Amazon won't charge you the sales tax of the country if exporting. They do already add estimated VAT if you're on the final page and have the address added.
If they did, you can claim it back from the country in question.

This is US, https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=202036190, but same applies.



They'll pay the VAT of the final item, you don't add your margins to the VAT, you add it to the product price. It's still the same percentage of the product price no matter where in the chain.
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I'm not talking about VAT. I'm talking about duties but as usual you're arguing something else.
"The sky is blue"
"No bananas aren't straight"

Oh just forget it and that I said anything.
 
Swa said:
I'm not talking about VAT. I'm talking about duties but as usual you're arguing something else.
"The sky is blue"
"No bananas aren't straight"

Oh just forget it and that I said anything.
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Swa, you can claim back duties: https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/378/~/refund-(drawback)-of-duty-paid-for-imported-goods-if-exporting-or-returning-the
I have done so before when taking stuff with from Germany, I'm sure the US is similar.

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Of course column 2 is for non-normal trade relations, but I doubt anyone like Amazon would not ship it through a country that has good relations with the US. Then would be 35% which you can claim back when exporting out again.

Now please, stop posting if you don't know, or preface with "I am Swa, I think this", rather than claiming as fact.
 
Still missing the point. But I'm done arguing with you.

To the subject of this thread, a case in point. The 3700X is listed at $329 (R4770) and the 3800X at $399 (R5785). Locally they're listed at R6499 and R7799 respectively at Wootware, Evetech and Rebel Tech. That's 20% and 35% more.
 
Swa said:
Still missing the point. But I'm done arguing with you.

To the subject of this thread, a case in point. The 3700X is listed at $329 (R4770) and the 3800X at $399 (R5785). Locally they're listed at R6499 and R7799 respectively at Wootware, Evetech and Rebel Tech. That's 20% and 35% more.
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So the 3700X has a margin of R900 for shipping and profit (or 15%). Assume shipping cost makes up for wholesale, then wootware has a margin of 15%, that's not that high if they take over all risks of return, etc.

The 2700X is about $260 now, so R3700, wootware was listing it at R4200, also around 15%. No stock anymore though.'

Also, no one is forcing you to buy it.
 
Johnatan56 said:
So the 3700X has a margin of R900 for shipping and profit (or 15%). Assume shipping cost makes up for wholesale, then wootware has a margin of 15%, that's not that high if they take over all risks of return, etc.

The 2700X is about $260 now, so R3700, wootware was listing it at R4200, also around 15%. No stock anymore though.
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The msrp already includes the profit margin. They are making 35% above that on both. I took the wrong figures earlier. Shipping costs are a lot less for bulk orders.

35% for risk of return etc? I don't think so.
 
Swa said:
The msrp already includes the profit margin. They are making 35% above that on both. I took the wrong figures earlier. Shipping costs are a lot less for bulk orders.

35% for risk of return etc? I don't think so.
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Start your own store then. Good luck, maybe we'll get competition.
 
Swa said:
So you don't know how to justify an extra 35% above the normal retail price...
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I'm pretty sure it's not that high, but you're welcome to start your own store and compete, bring prices down.

And yes, there are those who sell it 3rd party with smaller margins, e.g. potterh on carbonite did it for quite a few intel OEM parts, same thing will happen here. The question there is, who do you go to if something fails?
 
Account for VAT (15%), insurance, import duties, shipping, storage, fixed overheads...


lmfao
 
waylander said:
Account for VAT (15%), insurance, import duties, shipping, storage, fixed overheads...

lmfao
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So are you saying that (besides VAT) US stores don't have to account for those fees too?
 
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