Zim asks for $5bn from SA

[Phenom]

What about fixing our own nation? Who will pay for all the immigrants - their children, their healthcare etc? Why is no decent border being built?
We pay taxes for nation building. Not for funding the fellow race. Why not first take every south african child of the street with that money?

It is up to the UN to sort out election issues.

This is about 20% of your annual tax proceeds - ~2 weeks salary

 

[Morgoth]

What about fixing our own nation? Who will pay for all the immigrants - their children, their healthcare etc? Why is no decent border being built?
We pay taxes for nation building. Not for funding the fellow race. Why not first take every south african child of the street with that money?

It is up to the UN to sort out election issues.


This is about 20% of your annual tax proceeds - ~2 weeks salary

the Un's policy states that a country should sort out its own problems before they even think of stepping in,

 

[StrongTurd]

I think that the most serious threat facing Mugabe at present is his inability to pay his army and public servants. By taking Tswangirai on board (while he still remains firmly in power), he has been able to coat his, arguably the worst government on earth, with a thin veneer of legitimacy. This allows him access to huge sums of money from South Africa. Heck, he even sent ol' Morgan down here to ask for it on his behalf, making it look like Morgan is actually running the show!

Suppose we were to give him this money (which seems like a foregone conclusion), then what will be the outcome? Firstly, it will allow Mugabe to get the army, the police, the teachers and all the other civil servants off his back while at the same time significantly boosting his popularity.Secondly, it will allow him access to large sums of funds to finance his corrupt inner circle with cars, farms and offshore bank accounts. Some money will also be spent on token reconstruction programs in order to pacify his long-suffering population.

The end result will be that this cash injection will significantly strengthen Mugabe and his despicable ZANU-PF regime and will only be to the detriment of Zimbabwe as a whole. They'll burn through that $5 billion at a staggering rate and will leave the country in worse shape than ever while the select few will become even more fabulously rich than they already are.

As for South Africa, p*ssing away vast sums of money financing dictators given the current economic conditions we're facing is about as stupid a thing as is possible to do. $5 Billion is a huge sum for a country like ours, considering that even the 2010 World Cup's budget is only half of that.

 

[lsuacner]

They can't be more useless. I saw a poster, something like 2.7 million houses in 15 years and 13 million people living in them. It is nothing to be proud of - those people can't afford to buy their own houses and 6 people live in a house the size of a pool.

Basically it means the ANC is %*&^ useless and they don't even know it.

NP doesn't look so bad now does it?

 

[boramk]

The ANc gotta ask themselves... Why... SIGH

 

[Phenom]

They can't be more useless. I saw a poster, something like 2.7 million houses in 15 years and 13 million people living in them. It is nothing to be proud of - those people can't afford to buy their own houses and 6 people live in a house the size of a pool.

Basically it means the ANC is %*&^ useless and they don't even know it.

NP doesn't look so bad now does it?

The NP passes on everything the ANC fails at, while the ANC passes at everything the NP fails at.


ANC = Good Human Rights (besides for ripping off the public and no fair justice, onlys eye-for-an-eye policies, probably also racist), while terrible management record.

NP = Good Economic management (besides for throwing people out of their investments and land, not assessing the implications of that, for racist policies), while bad human rights record.

I'd be happy to see both go out and f*k themselves further, as they already seem to have done.

 

[DagegeN]

Well that calculates to 1.1538461538461538461538461538462 years to house one person with the stats provided. wow awesome, go and sell all Zim's new army equipment for scrap metal and fund them with that.

As some one mentioned do we as public not have some sort of right to debate this funding? maybe some lawyers want to comment on that ?

 

[Flanders]

I really can't even see why this is an option. It is 100% guaranteed that this money will not benefit the people of Zim while baboon brain sits there laughing his ass off. Disgusting how our government supports this @#$*. We, the people, should have a say here but of course that aint gonna happen. I'm going to celebrate like it's 1999 on the day this fool bites the dust.

 

[Alan]

ANC = Good Human Rights (besides for ripping off the public and no fair justice, onlys eye-for-an-eye policies, probably also racist), while terrible management record.
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Don't you mean criminal rights?

 

[Turbo_Aspiration]

How much of this will be provided via foreign direct investment?

Where there's great risks, there's great profits to be made

 

[CyraxHB]

A referendum should be held to determine if any money should be given to Zim. And only tax payers should be allowed to vote as its their money.

 

[OhGats]

That money would be better spent feeding and upgrading our own population instead of propping up bob and his zanu pf cronies who have reduced the country to basket case level. Come to think of it, large quantities of Zim are in South Africa already. It should be conditional that bob and his friends all step down and go away.

 

[TMoose]

Too bad the government will give comrade Mugabe the money no matter how many of us tell them to f-off. See our government has pretty much been supporting ole Bob all this time and won't stop doing so anytime soon. He sits in a safe little cocoon as long as the ANC idiots govern South Africa, and the masses like it that way. They want the ANC in power and they want Bob to show the farmers who is boss and therefore the status quo will remain.

 

[antowan]

I agree. We can send food, bricks, mortar and the like, but we cannot afford to send them money. Zanu-PF will steal most of it...

 

[news24]

They can't be more useless. I saw a poster, something like 2.7 million houses in 15 years and 13 million people living in them. It is nothing to be proud of - those people can't afford to buy their own houses and 6 people live in a house the size of a pool.

Basically it means the ANC is %*&^ useless and they don't even know it.

NP doesn't look so bad now does it?

For someone who grew up in a Mansion, your argument is valid. But for those people who never had a roof over their heads, who stayed in 6 sqm of Mkhukhu(tin house), that means a lot. I come from an area where 400 of those houses have been build and believe me people appreciate them dearly.

I cannot believe it, that there are some people who would like to go backwards, and who still believe in the old NP government. NP took the wealth of many and gave it to a select few(who had to be referred to as Bass). Now you have a new government which gives the wealth of the many to the poor masses, who are largely uneducated, because of failure by the then goverment to prevent child labour and encourage education amongs the masses, instead the farmers employed children to plough their lands. My mom left school at Std2 to work on a farm, and die Bass gladly offered the job with slave salary.

Just where I grew up and where many of my friends reside.

Name of Place: Modikwe
Developments(Then:Now)
Lack of housing: 400 RDP's build and 300 more coming this year
No Tarred Roads: We now have 10 km of tarred roads & 10 km more to be added
No Running Water: We used to rely on borehole water, 10 years ago we could access running water within 200m from each house, Now all houses have taps inside the yard.
No Electricity: We all have access to electricity.
No Street lights: This year, high rise Apollo lights will be installed.
No Sports Centre: We did have spots ground, now we have a multipurpose sports centre
No Refuse Management: This year we will have refuse collectors, tender bidder has already been aproved
No School Lab: Where I matriculated(2 years b4) we did not have a laboratory, now we have a physics lab, chemistry lab, two computer labs, and a library.
School Fees: All schools in my area have been declared non-fee schools, less burden to poor families.
Feeding System: Kids at our primary school are fed one balanced meal a day
Food Pack: Past 6 months, elderly and poor are receiving food packs
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For someone who had all or most of the above, I cannot blame you for denoucing the goverment, you complain about Eskom because you cannot use your geyser & aircon, a poor guy on the other hand just want light and to listen to radio.
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The goverment has many areas where it has failed, but the good that it has done, well apreciated by most of the people.

 

[boramk]

news24, do you approve the ANC giving money to Zim?

 

[news24]

news24, do you approve the ANC giving money to Zim?

Good question which probably needs a well thought answer, not an emotional one. I guess your on the same wagon of those who said South Africa is not doing enough to help the people of Zimbabwe.

We have a serious problem here in SA, with rough estimates of between 3 & 4 million Zimbabweans in SA. Maybe I should say, undocumented Zimbabweans in SA.

The economy of Zim suffered dearly because of poor leadership. It requires a lot of cash injection to bouce back to its glory days. Unfortunately the 1st post of this thread was driven by speculative, emotionality & active imagination. Here is an IOL article http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=68&art_id=nw20090221072918702C271801

Cape Town - Repairing Zimbabwe's economy could cost as much as $5-billion and foreign direct investment would help, said Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai on Friday.

"As for the long-term economic recovery it has not been assessed, but I think it would run into billions of dollars, maybe as high as $5-billon," Tsvangirai said at a news conference in Cape Town.

I think before I answer your question, please reply with a link to a valid article which states that Zim has asked SA for $5 billion, preferably from a reputable publishing house. While we are still on valid articles, follow this one http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20090220053505881C766329

Zimbabwean Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai is expected on Friday to ask President Kgalema Motlanthe for at least $600-million (R6-billion) in the form of a rescue package to fund salaries for Zimbabwe's civil servants and to meet other essential services expenditure in the next six months.

The figure of R6-billion is based on a mini-budget of R1-billion monthly to pay civil servants' salaries and to meet other essential humanitarian costs.

Warm Regards buddy.

 

[Xyber]

o had to be referred to as Bass

It is spelled "baas" as it is an Afrikaans word, meaning boss or master.

A lot of good came from the new government, but also a lot of corruptions. I can't believe they would give this money to zim now. If things where sorted out and we knew the money would not go into the pockets of the rich (government officials) over there then I would have no problem helping the country getting back on its feet.

 

[news24]

It is spelled "baas" as it is an Afrikaans word, meaning boss or master.

A lot of good came from the new government, but also a lot of corruptions. I can't believe they would give this money to zim now. If things where sorted out and we knew the money would not go into the pockets of the rich (government officials) over there then I would have no problem helping the country getting back on its feet.

I got a D in Afrikaans, fortunately for me, I never had to say that word to anyone.(maybe is because of the new gov oops)

SA gov is not going to give Zim $5 billion, even if they did, it would not be a giveaway package, it would be a creditline.

 

[DagegeN]

Get rid of mad bob .. and send all the "undocumented" zims back, and set up a proper border control and patrol. Only then we can talk about helping them.

"Give a man a fish everyday and he will never learn to feed himself, but instead teach that man to fish everyday, then he will be able to feed himself and the next guy."