Zim deportation decision slammed

[Kaine]

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20100903061224974C579326

<quote>Civil rights groups have reacted with outrage and anger at the cabinet's decision to end the special dispensation for Zimbabwean nationals living in South Africa and have warned that the "callous" decision could result in their persecution if deported.

Government spokesman Themba Maseko on Thursday announced that undocumented Zimbabweans would have until the end of the year to get "proper" permits or face arrest and deportation from January 1.

This was the result of an agreement between South Africa and Zimbabwe's home affairs ministers, he said after Wednesday's cabinet meeting.

Zimbabwe's political and economic crisis saw a special dispensation approved that allowed people fleeing the country to enter South Africa and work for up to three months before renewing temporary permits. However, now "we believe some sort of stability has returned to Zimbabwe", Maseko said.


The government also needed to know how many Zimbabweans were in the country and needed to document fingerprints in order to investigate crimes involving foreign nationals.

But civil rights groups and human rights lawyers are threatening legal action against the government because they say the decision was taken without their consultation.

Gabriel Shumba, executive director and human rights lawyer for the Zimbabwe Exiles Forum, said the cabinet's justification that Zimbabwe was stabilising was "ridiculous and foolhardy".<quote>

woohoo, the government is doing something right!!
(I dunno how to quote the article properly, hence why its like that)

 

[phoneJunky]

You have to </quote> at the end I think.

Agree, this is a good decision by government. If this stayed like this for much longer we might see xenophopia attacks again.

 

[Ronjay]

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=vn20100903061224974C579326

<quote>Civil rights groups have reacted with outrage and anger at the cabinet's decision to end the special dispensation for Zimbabwean nationals living in South Africa and have warned that the "callous" decision could result in their persecution if deported.

Government spokesman Themba Maseko on Thursday announced that undocumented Zimbabweans would have until the end of the year to get "proper" permits or face arrest and deportation from January 1.

This was the result of an agreement between South Africa and Zimbabwe's home affairs ministers, he said after Wednesday's cabinet meeting.

Zimbabwe's political and economic crisis saw a special dispensation approved that allowed people fleeing the country to enter South Africa and work for up to three months before renewing temporary permits. However, now "we believe some sort of stability has returned to Zimbabwe", Maseko said.


The government also needed to know how many Zimbabweans were in the country and needed to document fingerprints in order to investigate crimes involving foreign nationals.

But civil rights groups and human rights lawyers are threatening legal action against the government because they say the decision was taken without their consultation.

Gabriel Shumba, executive director and human rights lawyer for the Zimbabwe Exiles Forum, said the cabinet's justification that Zimbabwe was stabilising was "ridiculous and foolhardy".<quote>

woohoo, the government is doing something right!!
(I dunno how to quote the article properly, hence why its like that)

No they aren't. All they are doing is trying to fix the fusk up they started. And they are trying to do it by making the situation a whole lot more difficult for themselves. It's like breaking a vase and then trying to glue it back together with chewing gum. The point is, they shouldn't have broken the vase in the first place. What's it going to cost to deport all those Zimbabweans? How is it fair to us citizens to basically invite people to the party and then drop kick them in the nuts after they ate all the pizza and drank all the beer and then citizens have to pay for the nut kicking?

 

[xrapidx]

If South African's worked as hard as other African nations people wouldn't be employing other African nations...

I went through about 5-7 South African domestic workers, and about 4 South African gardeners before ending up with two Malawians who finally did proper work.

 

[JungleBoy]

If South African's worked as hard as other African nations people wouldn't be employing other African nations...

I went through about 5-7 South African domestic workers, and about 4 South African gardeners before ending up with two Malawians who finally did proper work.

You are generalising

 

[zulgin]

If South African's worked as hard as other African nations people wouldn't be employing other African nations...

I went through about 5-7 South African domestic workers, and about 4 South African gardeners before ending up with two Malawians who finally did proper work.

the problem is that I can't give them Malawians a good uitk@kparade in Afrikaans

 

[xrapidx]

You are generalising

Well then there's a lot of generalizing in SA - because most people I've spoken too don't like employing South African's, purely because they're lazy - or full of ****.

Even when in Kenya we were told that they don't like South Africans up there because they're lazy.

My sample size in the last year is 7 South Africans that were useless, one Malawian that is almost perfect... so in my case, I'm not generalizing, I'm speaking from experience.

 

[JungleBoy]

Well then there's a lot of generalizing in SA - because most people I've spoken too don't like employing South African's, purely because they're lazy - or full of ****.

Even when in Kenya we were told that they don't like South Africans up there because they're lazy.

My sample size in the last year is 7 South Africans that were useless, one Malawian that is almost perfect...

Do they have South Africans looking for work in Kenya or do we have Kenyans looking for work in SA?

Anyway...the influx of African nationals is fairly new...so does that mean that for all those decades people in SA have been putting up with lazy workers?
Methinks such people are very happy to exploit the desperate immigrants with their low wage demands...

 

[LancelotSA]

Well then there's a lot of generalizing in SA - because most people I've spoken too don't like employing South African's, purely because they're lazy - or full of ****.

Even when in Kenya we were told that they don't like South Africans up there because they're lazy.

Strange because in all my time travelling in Europe the general sentiment was that South Africans are particularly hard working....

My sample size in the last year is 7 South Africans that were useless, one Malawian that is almost perfect... so in my case, I'm not generalizing, I'm speaking from experience.

Ha ha ha, damn that is one in depth study you have done! So you got one hard working Malawian and that allowed you to draw the conclusion that they are all hard working?

 

[Lounger]

Strange because in all my time travelling in Europe the general sentiment was that South Africans are particularly hard working....

That's a very old concept that arose when a lot of well-educated South Africans were arriving in the UK with pennies in their pockets during the 80's and 90's. I wouldn't give the same credit to the current generation.

 

[xrapidx]

Do they have South Africans looking for work in Kenya or do we have Kenyans looking for work in SA?

Anyway...the influx of African nationals is fairly new...so does that mean that for all those decades people in SA have been putting up with lazy workers?
Methinks such people are very happy to exploit the desperate immigrants with their low wage demands...

I was just as suprised about South African's in Kenya....

By fairly new do you mean 20 odd years? Zimbabweens's have been working in SA for ages.

Strange because in all my time travelling in Europe the general sentiment was that South Africans are particularly hard working....

Could you forward me the links of our 'low-income' earners working so hard in Europe? I'd love to read about it, what exactly are they doing there? We are talking about the labour force, right?

Ha ha ha, damn that is one in depth study you have done! So you got one hard working Malawian and that allowed you to draw the conclusion that they are all hard working?

Actually two - if you read a bit up, and that is this year .. every other time I have been looking for a domestic worker/gardener, the expeirence has been exactly the same... one after another South African until I fit a foreigner and bamn, the work gets done.

Before you ask if they so good why don't I have them anymore, simply because I let them go when I work in Jhb, or overseas for extended periods, but I do pay them about four months notice, and generally find them other work. my first foreign domestic is STILL working for my ex after almost eight years.

 

[LancelotSA]

That's a very old concept that arose when a lot of well-educated South Africans were arriving in the UK with pennies in their pockets during the 80's and 90's. I wouldn't give the same credit to the current generation.

So you are saying that you now have uneducated, poor South Africans doing the travel in Europe thing? Interesting as I thought the Visa requirements were still quite stringent.

 

[xrapidx]

Wonder when some idiot is going to chime up its racist to say other black nations work harder than the South African black labour force.

On that note, I actually think the newly forming white South African labour force is even lazier than the black South African labour force, and yes, I've had my run in with a few of them too.

 

[grok]

I agree send them home, they voted for their situation so let them go fix their own problems themselves. We have like 50% unemployment, we need those jobs for our own people.

 

[xrapidx]

We have like 50% unemployment, we need those jobs for our own people.

And these people in SA voted for their situation. Just out of interest, who would you vote for if, say like in Zimbabwe, the ANC cut off your left hand, promising to do the same to your right if you do not vote for them?

I say keep them until South African's realise not everything is a hand-out.

The current strikes are a perfect example of our work force - 1% increase is more important than the lifes being lost at hospitals, the kids who are not getting an education towards a better life, etc, etc.

 

[JungleBoy]

By fairly new do you mean 20 odd years? Zimbabweens's have been working in SA for ages.

I did mention the word "influx" ( A mass arrival )...is fairly new. Of course there's always been a few foreigners here and there. But in recent times places like Hilbrow, Rosettenville, Yeovile, Point Road etc are now flush with African foreigners/refugees especially Zimbos, Somalis, Naijas etc.

 

[JungleBoy]

And these people in SA voted for their situation. Just out of interest, who would you vote for if, say like in Zimbabwe, the ANC cut off your left hand, promising to do the same to your right if you do not vote for them?

I say keep them until South African's realise not everything is a hand-out.

The current strikes are a perfect example of our work force - 1% increase is more important than the lifes being lost at hospitals, the kids who are not getting an education towards a better life, etc, etc.

The Zimboz in particular were very happy to accept perfectly productive farms only to turn them into wastelands...and you say they are hard working...and should stay here and teach locals a thing or two. You are very funny man...

They need to fix their own country. How about they stand up to Mugabe or start a riot or something?.

 

[xrapidx]

The Zimboz in particular were very happy to accept perfectly productive farms only to turn them into wastelands...and you say they are hard working...and should stay here and teach locals a thing or two. You are very funny man...

They need to fix their own country. How about they stand up to Mugabe or start a riot or something?.

Um - South Africa is doing EXACTLY the same? Look whats happening to the farms the government is giving away? I suppose this is my imagination.

Again, have you seen what happens to those that stand up to Mugabe? Once he's gone, I'm pretty sure Zimbabwe will make a pretty decent recovery, provided they don't end up with another dictator.

 

[Ou grote]

The Zimboz in particular were very happy to accept perfectly productive farms only to turn them into wastelands...and you say they are hard working...and should stay here and teach locals a thing or two. You are very funny man...

They need to fix their own country. How about they stand up to Mugabe or start a riot or something?.

Well now, have your ANCYL buddies finally started to admit what's going on in Zim?

What happened to the drought?

 

[JungleBoy]

Well now, have your ANCYL buddies finally started to admit what's going on in Zim?

What happened to the drought?

I am too old to be buddies with the youth league. Besides even in my younger days I never associated with them.