Zimbabwe Needs Terrorism

[LazyLion]

But who is innocent?

Is Mugabe innocent? Mugabe leads an evil regime which kills innocent people every day. He's a tyrant and people's basic human rights are trampled upon. He intends to keep his power and makes sure the whole regime acts in a way to preserve his power.

Are the generals and the other officials within the regime innocent? They knowingly plan actions which leads to peoples deaths.

Are the lower level soldiers innocent? They knowingly kill people whom they know are opposiing the regime.

Then what about the civilians who knowingly work for the regime and keep it running? They knowingly provide the regime with the support it needs to stay afloat.

And what about those civilians, who see the atrocities occur on a daily basis, but do nothing to speak up or fight against it? Surely people have a responsibility not to allow evil to continue? Are they not guilty of allowing this to pass?

Now, I'm not trying to say who is innocent and who is not. I'm just trying to show that it is extremely difficult to draw the line. Would you work as a truck driver, delivering petrol to Mugabe's regime? If you had to, would you not feel bad over your actions? Would you feel entirely innocent regarding the plight of the Zimbabweans, knowing that your actions played a part in their suffering?

You scare me man! You sound like the kind of people who rationalize strapping explosives to their chest and covered with nails. If we look far enough they are all part of the system... so they are all fair game, right?

I seriously hope you never find a "reason" to kill some "collaborators" here in South Africa.

 

[ic]

Zim then starts genuinely grinding to a halt.

I usually stay away from such threads, but I'm responding to an RBP, and I will say this - Zimbobwe already has come to a grinding halt - the whole country is a disaster zone, I don't see how Zimbobwe would get better with acts of "terrorism".

A far more rational approach would be to send in the UN and throw mad Bob into a prison cell.

 

[Ghazi]

I usually stay away from such threads, but I'm responding to an RBP, and I will say this - Zimbobwe already has come to a grinding halt - the whole country is a disaster zone, I don't see how Zimbobwe would get better with acts of "terrorism".

A far more rational approach would be to send in the UN and throw mad Bob into a prison cell.

The sad part is the letters "UN" will be substituted by "US" and the term meddling would be used.

Edit: Actually Zimbobwe hasn't come to a grinding halt for the comrades at the top (military and political leaders), and instead of the ANC comrades putting pressure on them, they help them with things like the illicit arms shipment that docked in Durban. They should cut all petrol and electricity supplies and any other luxuries the chief knobs enjoy, just not the food for the poor.

 

[Alan]

I usually stay away from such threads, but I'm responding to an RBP, and I will say this - Zimbobwe already has come to a grinding halt - the whole country is a disaster zone, I don't see how Zimbobwe would get better with acts of "terrorism".

A far more rational approach would be to send in the UN and throw mad Bob into a prison cell.

The U.N

Mad Bob won't go down without a fight. In any case sending in the U.N will violate mad Bob's sovereignty as well as lead to the deaths of innocent people which makes any sort of forced removal unacceptable. At least that is what I'm told by certain members on this forum

 

[JHatman]

The U.N

Mad Bob won't go down without a fight. In any case sending in the U.N will violate mad Bob's sovereignty as well as lead to the deaths of innocent people which makes any sort of forced removal unacceptable. At least that is what I'm told by certain members on this forum

If bobby is tossed back into the bush, he'll just repeat what he did 25 years ago.

 

[Xarog]

You scare me man! You sound like the kind of people who rationalize strapping explosives to their chest and covered with nails. If we look far enough they are all part of the system... so they are all fair game, right?

I seriously hope you never find a "reason" to kill some "collaborators" here in South Africa.

Just because I understand the reasoning does not mean that I support it, and if you refuse to acknowledge the baser parts of human nature you will never ever be able to combat them.

 

[LazyLion]

Just because I understand the reasoning does not mean that I support it, and if you refuse to acknowledge the baser parts of human nature you will never ever be able to combat them.

so you think I need to understand the mind of the rapist in order to catch him or kill him?

What about the men who knifed that family to death in Polokwane last week? They stabbed the mom 17 times with a bread knife and hung the father from the cieling in the bedroom. You want me to "understand" them before I "combat" them?

 

[Alan]

And the old Rhodesian government it was claimed by people like LG needed terrorism as well. Only then Mad Bob was more than willing to supply it. Everybody knows the support he got for it

 

[DeadCore]

the reason the people of zim vote for him is cause they are afraid the British will take over again (i think zim was called USSA United States South Africa)

 

[Xarog]

So you think I need to understand the mind of the rapist in order to catch him or kill him?

Depends. Psychological profiling of serial killers is indeed an excellent way of improving your chances of catching him. And, understanding the way a serial killer's mind works dramatically improves your chances of survival if you actually get caught by one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_profiling

What about the men who knifed that family to death in Polokwane last week? They stabbed the mom 17 times with a bread knife and hung the father from the cieling in the bedroom. You want me to "understand" them before I "combat" them?

Someone who is trying to liberate the country from a murdering tyrant is not the same as a person who casually murders someone and robs them.

 

[LazyLion]

Depends. Psychological profiling of serial killers is indeed an excellent way of improving your chances of catching him. And, understanding the way a serial killer's mind works dramatically improves your chances of survival if you actually get caught by one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_profiling


Dude, take the foot out of your mouth and save yourself some embarrasment.


Someone who is trying to liberate the country from a murdering tyrant is not the same as a person who casually murders someone and robs them.

murder is murder, no matter what your motive. It takes a sick mind to do it.

 

[bwana]

Hows about we put an end to these personal attacks right now.

 

[BBSA]

murder is murder, no matter what your motive. It takes a sick mind to do it.

What I do not understand is why they (the pro-terrorism camp) always have to resort to violence to achieve their goals. Look at Gandhi he accomplish much more with non-violent civil disobedience than any terrorist have ever achieved with violents.

 

[Xarog]

What I do not understand is why they (the pro-terrorism camp) always have to resort to violence to achieve their goals. Look at Gandhi he accomplish much more with non-violent civil disobedience than any terrorist have ever achieved.

And exactly who is in this pro-terrorism camp?

 

[Syndyre]

murder is murder, no matter what your motive. It takes a sick mind to do it.

Absolutely but trying to understand something doesn't mean you condone or accept it.

 

[BBSA]

Absolutely but trying to understand something doesn't mean you condone or accept it.

But you are trying to justify it.

 

[Xarog]

But you are trying to justify it.

"It is the mark of an intelligent mind to. be able to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting it. -- Aristotle."

Niether Syndyre nor myself have justified anything of the sort. All I posted was a short explanation pointing out how difficult it is to draw lines in the sand, which is not a justification of anything.

Or to look at the topic exhaustively :

There is the claim that it is wrong to kill innocent people. That immediately presupposes that it is OK to kill non-innocent people. Why should it be OK to kill anyone at all? No one has bothered to object to this, so I can presume that everyone thinks its ok to kill human being in some circumstances.

Now if you are not comfortable with the lines that you have drawn between when it is OK and when it is not OK, or if the reasons for drawing those lines where you did also leads to unintended consequences*, then that is your problem. It does not pass any sort of commentary about where I have or have not drawn my lines.

*Just because you may say it is OK to kill non-innocent people, does not mean that, if I point out that people supporting a regime are not innocent, that I automatically agree with your judgement about it being OK to kill non-innocent people, and that thus, I am immediately justifying the death of anyone who supports a regime, directly or indirectly.

Please, take the time to look at the point abstractly and examine your own motives before you make judgements about the motives of others, especially when your judgements are innaccurate.

 

[Syndyre]

But you are trying to justify it.

Not at all. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be justifying. I don't support terrorist acts anywhere, be it Hamas in Israel or Zim. If you look at my posting history you'll see I've been pretty unequivocal on this.

What I am saying is that if person A commits murder it is possible to look at the action and say *if* you accept the premises and opinions that they held you can see what led them to that action, not that it in any way justifies it.

The point is just that most people aside from the truly insane tend to operate on at least a warped sense of rationality.

For a simpler example lets take Hamas. If they believe, I'm not necessarily saying they do, that's another argument, that Israel has no right to exist and Jews are subhuman and living on their (Hamas's) land you can see how their twisted actions would flow from that. Let me be clear, I don't accept those premises and I don't in any way condone or justify their actions.

But I can understand how those (disgustingly wrong) beliefs would affect their actions.

 

[BBSA]

Not at all. I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to be justifying. I don't support terrorist acts anywhere, be it Hamas in Israel or Zim. If you look at my posting history you'll see I've been pretty unequivocal on this.

What I am saying is that if person A commits murder it is possible to look at the action and say *if* you accept the premises and opinions that they held you can see what led them to that action, not that it in any way justifies it.

The point is just that most people aside from the truly insane tend to operate on at least a warped sense of rationality.

For a simpler example lets take Hamas. If they believe, I'm not necessarily saying they do, that's another argument, that Israel has no right to exist and Jews are subhuman and living on their (Hamas's) land you can see how their twisted actions would flow from that. Let me be clear, I don't accept those premises and I don't in any way condone or justify their actions.

But I can understand how those (disgustingly wrong) beliefs would affect their actions.

Fair enough, I take your point and I'm sure you do not condone or justify Hamas actions. Unfortunately there is many who do.

 

[lsuacner]

You do not hurt someone if they hurt you, an emotionally mature person can wait for the other party to come to their senses.