Zuma backs De la Rey

[xtermin8or]

The strategy to fight crime continues to be based, mainly, on the reduction of serious and violent crimes, which invariably result in murder. The target is the reduction of such crimes by between 7% and 10% annually. We will do a full assessment of the results of that work by the end of the 2009/10 financial year.

Murder in South Africa is generated by organised crime in the context of armed robberies (robberies at financial institutions, at shopping malls and of cash in transit, and hijackings of vehicles) and social crimes between people who know one another.

Various surveys that have been done in the past, show that at least 80% of those murders were committed by people known by the victims within the social circumstances where they live or usually meet.

But, the murders that dramatically affect the psyche of the nation are those that flow from organised crime because they are done mostly in day light on the highways, and around banks and the malls where many people are present. Some bystanders have been killed in the crossfire.

Charles Nqakula

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Certainly, we cannot erase that which is ugly and repulsive and claim the happiness that comes with freedom if communities live in fear, closeted behind walls and barbed wire, ever anxious in their houses, on the streets and on our roads, unable freely to enjoy our public spaces. Obviously, we must continue and further intensify the struggle against crime.

While we have already surpassed that targeted figure of 152 000 police officers employed in the South African Police Service, and while we have improved the training programme, we recognise the fact that the impact of this is not yet high enough for everybody to feel a better sense of safety and security. While we have reduced the incidence of most contact crimes, the annual reduction rate with regard to such categories as robbery, assault and murder is still below the 7-10% that we had targeted. And the abuse of women and children continues at an unacceptable level.

The increase in the incidence of particular crimes during the security workers’ strike should have brought home to all of us the fact that the security industry cannot be handled simply as a private affair of the private sector. Quite clearly the regulatory system that we have in place is inadequate. This applies to such issues as wage levels, personnel vetting systems, enforcement of guidelines on cash-delivery vehicles, and so on.

State of the Nation

 

[BobbyMac]

I don't know about everyone else, but that to me shows that crime is horribly out of control - especially considering that the government's own bull**** goals for crime reduction have never been met.

 

[xtermin8or]

Once again xtermin8or excels himself with his "facts". Those "facts" do not include people who are no longer looking for work. And it sure doesn't take the +- 1 million whites that have left the country into consideraration either.

Now, did a million whites leave the country because they couldn't find jobs, or because they were scared of crime, this argument is dredged up everytime either one comes up, so as there is a no factual basis for people leaving the country ( and I really don't want to hear sob or made-up stories about people you know ) those numbers must be ignored

FACT : the figures are for people living in the country, if one considers that there are people from all races who have stopped looking for work, the figures still hold water, unless you want to argue that only whites have stopped looking for work, in which case we have to look into the work ethic of whites

 

[xtermin8or]

I don't know about everyone else, but that to me shows that crime is horribly out of control - especially considering that the government's own bull**** goals for crime reduction have never been met.

Crime is a serious problem but it is not out of control, that has been admitted by Government

 

[Rikus]

Correction - the 'white' media have ridiculed him at every turn. The media targeting the masses have in fact played 'supporter'

Please define 'White media" for me.

 

[xtermin8or]

As to ownership of wealth

We have seen steady progress in the advancement of Black people in the economy. From owning just over 3% of the market capitalisation of the JSE in 2004, this has increased to close on to 5%; and the proportion of Blacks in top management has grown from 24% of the total to 27%. Yet we must remain concerned that these figures are still woefully low.

State of the Nation

 

[dlk001]

And general perception can never be wrong?

Of cause, general perception can be wrong. I was referring to approval ratings versus your perception.

 

[BobbyMac]

nice thread hijacking there xtermin8or. are you sure you don't work for government? Sure would explain the T-Bone ass licking.

 

[BobbyMac]

Of cause, general perception can be wrong. I was referring to approval ratings versus your perception.

And those approval ratings were based on how large a segment of the population? I wonder how many people from Kgutsong formed part of the survey.

 

[xtermin8or]

nice thread hijacking there xtermin8or. are you sure you don't work for government? Sure would explain the T-Bone ass licking.

If I remember correctly, it was you, who turned the topic to President Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki

 

[BobbyMac]

If I remember correctly, it was you, who turned the topic to President Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki

Not really, I compared the two (JZ vs T-Bone). You made it into yet another xtermin8or pro Mbeki campaign. As if he's deserving of praise.

 

[Rooinek]

If I remember correctly, it was you, who turned the topic to President Thabo Mvuyelwa Mbeki

Touché!!!!!!!

 

[xtermin8or]

Tassidar: embarrassment for who? The ANC or T-Bone? T-Bone has been a bigger embarrassment than could ever have been imagined. His AIDS stance. His "crime is only a perception" statements. His concerns and ambitions with central Africa over South Africa and Zimbabwe. All in all, T-Bone has failed South Africa on a grand scale. He kept incompetent people in his government while he was away doing what a foreign affairs minister is supposed to be doing.

It is certainly you not me who seems obsessed with the man

 

[Bageloo]

To answer your questions:
(1) It is possible that he wouldn't, but then he might find himself isolated from both the political left (who would think that he had betrayed them) and the political right (who think that he is an idiot). This would be a difficult line for him to tread. However, it could well happen.

Yes it could happen but what are the chances?
I have shown you at least five former unionist who have set their sights firmly on accumulating wealth and they have pretty much said to hell with the workers. I don't see how you expect JZ to bend over backwards to accomodate Cosatu when their own leaders deserted them.

(2) Do I really need to answer this question? Look at the perception of white people on this forum regarding Zuma. Do you think that foreigners will think any differently. Simply put, No! It doesn't take a genius to work that out. Also remember that the rand fell when Mboweni took over as governor of the reserve bank, a much more minor appointment, by a much less known person (in this case a good thing, because of public perception of Zuma).

Perceptions held by people in this forums differ markedly with those of international investors. The latter usually base their fears on facts whereas the former base theirs on media fiction.

How do you explain today's tumbling rand?

The world sadly does not revolve around our problems and our leaders. If markets tumble usually they do so due to other market factors outside of our control. As a developing nation we are most vulnerable to market instability throuout the developing world. Even if Tony Leon was our president.

 

[BobbyMac]

It is certainly you not me who seems obsessed with the man

Last I checked 'obsessed' was not a synonym for 'hate', so no.

 

[xtermin8or]

Even if Tony Leon was our president.

Almost fell off my chair, I was laughing so hard

 

[DigitalSoldier]

Now, did a million whites leave the country because they couldn't find jobs, or because they were scared of crime, this argument is dredged up everytime either one comes up, so as there is a no factual basis for people leaving the country ( and I really don't want to hear sob or made-up stories about people you know ) those numbers must be ignored

you might want to look at the link below...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6402439.stm

From South Africa it looks like only white people are leaving but look at other countries like Ghana

 

[xtermin8or]

Last I checked 'obsessed' was not a synonym for 'hate', so no.

obsessed stalkers usually want to kill their victims

 

[BobbyMac]

obsessed stalkers usually want to kill their victims

From obsessed to stalker. My oh my, your assumptions are becoming bigger than you.

 

[xtermin8or]

you might want to look at the link below...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/6402439.stm

From South Africa it looks like only white people are leaving but look at other countries like Ghana

Okay, so what has that got to do with South Africa, that is a totally different country, anyway the point I was trying to make is that, if we remove the number of whites who have left the country ( as we do not know why these people have left ) the figures show that there is a higher incedence of unemployment among blacks than whites, also there are many non-white people who have also left the country, to pursue careers elsewhere.