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Google set to peer at CINX

Google is likely to peer at the Cape Town Internet Exchange (CINX) in the near future, making services like YouTube and Google search directly available to ISPs
 
But it's been like this for a while already. Do a traceroute on www.google.co.za and it has a 196 IP address, that translates to one of Internet Solutions' servers based in Pretoria. So what's new?
 
To me it would make sense to do JHB first purely on a usage basis but if development and implimentation HQ for Google resides in the Cape as I believe it does (correct me if I am wrong) then it could be just more convenient for them to do it there first...
 
antowan said:
To me it would make sense to do JHB first purely on a usage basis but if development and implimentation HQ for Google resides in the Cape as I believe it does (correct me if I am wrong) then it could be just more convenient for them to do it there first...
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Agreed... this article is great news, but when I saw CINX instead of JINX it did make me wonder a bit - still, a good start and sign of things to come :)
 
DarkStreet said:
What is CINX and JINX actually? Excuse the stupid question.
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They're Internet Exchanges - the one based in Cape Town, and the other in Johannesburg. Their purpose is to provide a peering point for ISP's to route traffic between each other. Think of them as a hub for ISP's who would rather just peer ONCE at JINX than set up MULTIPLE private links, saving time and money for infrastructure I guess :) So you can see that if Google peers at CINX, then all ISP's who are peering at CINX could have easy access to Google services, as opposed to now where only certain exclusive ISP's have GGC servers on their own private core networks.
 
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antowan said:
To me it would make sense to do JHB first purely on a usage basis but if development and implimentation HQ for Google resides in the Cape as I believe it does (correct me if I am wrong) then it could be just more convenient for them to do it there first...
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Only reason why JINX has more traffic in the first place is because CINX only started up in 2009. We Cape Tonians downloads the internet as much as you downloads it hey! RAAAAWR (and seeing as though multiple links actually comes into Cape Town from overseas cables, directly connecting the US with SA, I'd say it's not just because they reside here, but because of the cables perhaps.... not all roads lead to that Durban one)
 
fragtion_ said:
They're Internet Exchanges - the one based in Cape Town, and the other in Johannesburg. Their purpose is to provide a peering point for ISP's to route traffic between each other. Think of them as a hub for ISP's who would rather just peer ONCE at JINX than set up MULTIPLE private links, saving time and money for infrastructure I guess :) So you can see that if Google peers at CINX, then all ISP's who are peering at CINX could have easy access to Google services, as opposed to now where only certain exclusive ISP's have GGC servers on their own private core networks.
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Thanks for the explanation, fragtion_.
 
AcidRaZor said:
Only reason why JINX has more traffic in the first place is because CINX only started up in 2009. We Cape Tonians downloads the internet as much as you downloads it hey! RAAAAWR (and seeing as though multiple links actually comes into Cape Town from overseas cables, directly connecting the US with SA, I'd say it's not just because they reside here, but because of the cables perhaps.... not all roads lead to that Durban one)
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Pedantic alert: AFAIK there are no cables connection SA 'directly' to the USA, they all go via London:
http://manypossibilities.net/african-undersea-cables/

This Google CINX peer could be an issue for MWeb, since all their IPC connectivity is currently based in Joburg.

I do not know if there is a direct connection from CINX to JINX (to which all ISP do have access). The list of ISP seems quite short:
http://stats.cinx.net.za/
 
Gordon_R said:
Pedantic alert: AFAIK there are no cables connection SA 'directly' to the USA, they all go via London:
http://manypossibilities.net/african-undersea-cables/

This Google CINX peer could be an issue for MWeb, since all their IPC connectivity is currently based in Joburg.

I do not know if there is a direct connection from CINX to JINX (to which all ISP do have access). The list of ISP seems quite short:
http://stats.cinx.net.za/
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But how many are just resellers?

I was actually wondering why mweb moved all their CINX traffic to JINX.
 
Qwikslver said:
I was actually wondering why mweb moved all their CINX traffic to JINX.
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Most likely consolidation. It's cheaper to run a single PoP than multiple PoP's across the country, because staff and hardware will be duplicated. As for why JHB and not CT, you will have to look at the business itself. I think they had most of the things they needed here already, so it's cheaper to set up.
 
Nickste said:
Does anyone know which ISPs have IPCs in Cape Town? I would imagine that being connected to an ISP that has an IPC closest to where you are, would offer better latency?
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If you scroll down the link I posted, there is a list of ISP's that peer at CINX. I would bet that all of them have POPs in Cape Town. Otherwise try SAIX-Telkom (they have POPs everywhere). Latency is not everything though...
 
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