WARNING MWEB SCAM - "FREE" capped internet data = Rthousands RAPED from bank acc!!!

mrjondu

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Mweb and Game stores are and have been running a "promotion" for some months: "BUY ANY LAPTOP & GET 1 YEAR FREE INTERNET".
The small print also reads: *1 Year FREE Internet access on an MWEB ADSL connection capped at 3 Gigs per month. Subject to signing 12 month subscription. Excludes line rental.

Capped

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Fine. Buy a laptop, RXthousands, Mweb includes 3 Gigs of data a month. "FREE". And "capped". Reel in the buyers - score Game.

Month1: Use the data with fancy new laptop, all good, reach data cap, and splash screen msg appears "contact Mweb, connectivity cannot be established".

In other words, now buy more data. Again, fine.

However, now you have a FALSE sense of security. Expecting a LIMIT on your data usage / internet access, right? Wrong! Thereafter Mweb can and WILL switch you over to p/megabyte billing, and at R200 a Gig!!!!! Ten times their normal data billing! And their T&Cs (all 11 973 words of it) state in sub clause 8.5.1:

From time to time, in any given month, we may allow you, at our
discretion, to exceed your Base Cap without stopping your access to the
ADSL Service.
....... at our discretion!

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It also says in the T&Cs "we don't have to give you notice" and "we have the right to recover costs from you" when you go over your capped data that you don't know about. And the best part.. wait for it.. at R200 per Gig !

Why does the Game stores / Mweb promotion falsely advertise the offer as FREE?
Why does Mweb blatantly and falsely advertise the promotion as CAPPED?
Why are the T&C's longer than my house mortgage???
How dare Mweb rope customers in by 1. instilling a false sense of security with a data cap and access suspension
then 2. remove it, placing these customers on UNLIMITED data access
AND 3. charge them at ten times the regular billing rate, all conveniently directly debited from their bank accounts ?????

Mweb salespersons on record stated that customers of these subscriptions have the OPTION of a) being CAPPED and LIMITED at the specificed data or b) by default going on to per meg billing after reaching cap. Fine. The customer relations manager Ms _ has on record stated, and I quote: "The sales agent, via our call center or in store at purchase, will then capture your request of cap based product on the system, the product will be capped, and the customer has the option to purchase further booster data if he/she so chooses". I would like to know, if Game themselves also state on record they have no such system or means of capturing any request of billing type/cap based product, how this so called PROTOCOL can be followed?! Where did my request NOT to be on per meg billing at R200 p/Gig go???

The onus is on the user, Mweb says, to monitor the data usage alerts sent to their new Mweb email accounts. 1. The Mweb email account sign in fails repeatedly, 2. Mweb assigns their own random password and NOT the one users select and write ON the contract at the time of signing. How then, does one "monitor" usage to be notified that oops! we're charging you Rthousands here and yooooou should know it?

SCAM!
Blatant, fraudulent, SCAM.
The lay person is NOT well versed in IT technology, and is unsuspecting and unscrutinizing. Look, simply put, the average person doesn't get what "capped, but our discretion will unlimit access, recover funds, bla bla bla bla bla" means when the promotion is sold to them with buzz words like it's FREE, it's capped don't worry there's a limit and you have to buy more. There is no system of capturing customer's requests of product type with the billing at Game stores, and Mweb are liars for saying so.

The truth is Mweb has set up a brilliant SCAM to debit hundreds of thousands from new unsuspecting user's bank accounts, I have friends at Mweb, and it's happening to LOTS of people, and there's not a dammd thing they can do about it. Hours on the phone get you nowhere. "Escalating" faults and "looking in to it" goes nowhere.

Shame on Mweb for false and deceitful advertising. Yes shame on the customers for not scrutinizing absolutely carefully the 11 973 words contained within the contract. Where a promotion should be aimed at PROMOTING the value of the product, it in fact confuses, scams, and defrauds. Shame on you Mweb. I welcome any similar new user to whom this has happened to print this page, and hand it out outside any Game or Mweb store. Shame on you Mweb!

Mweb's Response:
Originally Posted by Will@MWEB
Hi Everyone

Just to put some closure on this matter:

This is not the first time that per usage vs capped billing has come up for discussion on this forum. In terms of the questions raised around the per usage prices I will certainly take this feedback to our products team to consider when reviewing products and pricing in future.

As per the product defaulting to usage based billing and not hard capping the customer this is the matter which has been discussed at length before and as I explained previously there is an ICASA requirement which stipulates that a customer may not be hard capped. All of our capped products have the option available for the customer to self manage this attribute and hard cap themselves. Either via the myaccount pages, or by calling in and requesting this from one of our agents.

In terms of the monitoring of usage the responsibility for going into usage based billing does rest with the customer and as unfortunate as it may seem you will not find any service provider who is simply willing to waive PPM billing due to the customer not monitoring their cap.

We have taken additional steps based on previous feedback to ensure that this is clarified on our sign up material.

In terms of the case raised by the OP, MrJondu, I do not feel that it's appropriate to discuss all of the specifics of the matter in public, but I can assure you that we have reviewed the case very carefully in terms of the sign up process and all of the communication involved and will provide the customer with the appropriate feedback.

Kind Regards
Will

1. Arrogant to decide yourself on closure
2. None of the concerns raised were dealt with, other than this strong arming and pseudo-diplomacy
3. In public is exactly where they should be raised so that it may become known when a so-called large reputable company makes mistakes though enforces the consequence on their customers

And may I remind you that is your customer, sir, without whom you would be nowhere.
 
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wow that is shocking ! always wondered about those "free" internet laptop deals.

thanks for the heads up ! R200 per GB is ridiculous.
 
They've always had this kind of deals on PC's with other ISP's... from the days of dailup modems.

R200/GB is absurd. The most expensive per GB tariff that I've seen lately was SAIX's unshaped capped bundle at R99/GB.
R50/GB is still acceptable, but rather expensive, seeing that you can often get specials from Afrihost where they sell it at like R15/GB.

If you want to make a fuss about this, then you should also do something about:
1) Telkom's local only cap not working for Mweb hosts
2) OpenWeb advertising ADSL with FREE local - http://www.openweb.co.za/index_standard.asp?Selected=3
... I'm sure there are a lot more of these false advertising things with the SA ISP's.
 
So by how much did you go over the limit? What was the point of the Mweb splash screen if you can continue to browse? Surely you'd know (seeing as you read the T&C in such detail) that you were going to be charged? Or did you think you'd found a glitch in the Matrix? :D
 
Only a story when it's about mweb and we throw out all caution to wind ;)

They've always had this kind of deals on PC's with other ISP's... from the days of dailup modems.

R200/GB is absurd. The most expensive per GB tariff that I've seen lately was SAIX's unshaped capped bundle at R99/GB.
R50/GB is still acceptable, but rather expensive, seeing that you can often get specials from Afrihost where they sell it at like R15/GB.

If you want to make a fuss about this, then you should also do something about:
1) Telkom's local only cap not working for Mweb hosts
2) OpenWeb advertising ADSL with FREE local - http://www.openweb.co.za/index_standard.asp?Selected=3
... I'm sure there are a lot more of these false advertising things with the SA ISP's.

Might as well add vodacom too and their ridicules OOB rates and now it's by default not limited on your cell.
 
So by how much did you go over the limit? What was the point of the Mweb splash screen if you can continue to browse? Surely you'd know (seeing as you read the T&C in such detail) that you were going to be charged? Or did you think you'd found a glitch in the Matrix?

Initially I just wanted the laptop, didn't read the T&C's back to front, till now that Mweb's response was 'oh but on page x clause x.x.ii it says we can leeet you go over and..

The Mweb splash screen is standard from what I've gathered when you reach cap; chap with a tie on a chair with laptop, reads something like connectivity unavailable, contact Mweb.
I got this splash screen the first time I reached capped in the very beginning, called tech support, k cool datas up, get more. Thereafter expecting when caps reached it'll come up, it never did. Mweb "at their discretion switches" you over.

Found a glitch in my bank account of R2000+. Found several other new customers with the same gripe, and mates of mine at Mweb gave me a heads up that Mweb knows about it and there are lots of customers being debited directly from their accounts
 
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Well you've come to the right place, we have our own Mweb rep here. He should be able to sort out your problems.
 
Well you've come to the right place, we have our own Mweb rep here. He should be able to sort out your problems.

But why should it come to this, at the cost of educated, working professionals' working time, must we sit and at length notify users on hellopeter and mybroadband and so forth, to rally support and notify others? Why is imploring and reasoning with Mweb going on 4 weeks blatantly ignored and refused? Maybe the Mweb rep here could respond?
 
when did you take out this contract ? maybe the cpa can help you out. lodge a complaint with them and see how they can help. really shady sales practice from mweb though :(

a friend of mine has a similar problem with vodacom, almost 4k that he lost. goodluck i really hope you get some assistance.
 
when did you take out this contract ? maybe the cpa can help you out. lodge a complaint with them and see how they can help. really shady sales practice from mweb though :(

a friend of mine has a similar problem with vodacom, almost 4k that he lost. goodluck i really hope you get some assistance.

looks like the OOB shark got him also :(
 
But why should it come to this, at the cost of educated, working professionals' working time, must we sit and at length notify users on hellopeter and mybroadband and so forth, to rally support and notify others? Why is imploring and reasoning with Mweb going on 4 weeks blatantly ignored and refused? Maybe the Mweb rep here could respond?

Well if you recieved a bill for R2000 it must mean you must've downloaded at least 10gb over and above your 3gb cap. Surely you must've realised something was up?

You sound like someone moaning about the massive fine they recieved for doing 100km/h in a 60km/h zone because you realised you car could do 100km/h.
 
Well if you recieved a bill for R2000 it must mean you must've downloaded at least 10gb over and above your 3gb cap. Surely you must've realised something was up?

You sound like someone moaning about the massive fine they recieved for doing 100km/h in a 60km/h zone because you realised you car could do 100km/h.

its not that simple. most of the time these specials are aimed at customers that are not that tech savy and struggle with terms like "capped" "oob" etc in my friends case he bought a data bundle for his dad to surf when he's t home, unfortunately for him he had a faulty win7 that came loaded with the laptop he bought and it kept downloading updates for no good reason (downloading and re-downloading) ..the bill came to almost 4k. IMHO it should have been capped after the bundle was done not continue to such an amount without even a courtesy call to find out whats going on.

these companies prey on the less informed and unfortunately seem to be getting away with it.

these products seem user friendly to people who dont know all about how the internet costs etc work, it looks to be an all-in-one deal that takes out the complexity of getting onto the net .... and then they get nailed with things like OOB rates etc
 
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Sorta like MTN/Vodacom have been doing for years? Except MTN/Voda charges R2000 per gig not R200. Bastards.

Capped can unfortunately be interpreted 2 ways: Access restriction or entitled to X gig.

Your best is the ASA because legally this isn't going anywhere.
 
grrrr

From time to time, in any given month, we may allow you, at our
discretion, to exceed your Base Cap without stopping your access to the
ADSL Service

Kindly note, I will then choose to pay you whatever I may be able to, at my discretion, from time to time, so as to not exceed any more than the value of my base cap without any prior notice from me.

This should be condemned outright and stopped immediately.
Disgusting.
 
Mweb and Game stores are and have been running a "promotion" for some months: "BUY ANY LAPTOP & GET 1 YEAR FREE INTERNET".
The small print also reads: *1 Year FREE Internet access on an MWEB ADSL connection capped at 3 Gigs per month. Subject to signing 12 month subscription. Excludes line rental.

Capped

6092034335


Fine. Buy a laptop, RXthousands, Mweb includes 3 Gigs of data a month. "FREE". And "capped". Reel in the buyers - score Game.

Month1: Use the data with fancy new laptop, all good, reach data cap, and splash screen msg appears "contact Mweb, connectivity cannot be established".

In other words, now buy more data. Again, fine.

However, now you have a FALSE sense of security. Expecting a LIMIT on your data usage / internet access, right? Wrong! Thereafter Mweb can and WILL switch you over to p/megabyte billing, and at R200 a Gig!!!!! Ten times their normal data billing! And their T&Cs (all 11 973 words of it) state in sub clause 8.5.1:

From time to time, in any given month, we may allow you, at our
discretion, to exceed your Base Cap without stopping your access to the
ADSL Service.
....... at our discretion!

6092626414



It also says in the T&Cs "we don't have to give you notice" and "we have the right to recover costs from you" when you go over your capped data that you don't know about. And the best part.. wait for it.. at R200 per Gig !

Why does the Game stores / Mweb promotion falsely advertise the offer as FREE?
Why does Mweb blatantly and falsely advertise the promotion as CAPPED?
Why are the T&C's longer than my house mortgage???
How dare Mweb rope customers in by 1. instilling a false sense of security with a data cap and access suspension
then 2. remove it, placing these customers on UNLIMITED data access
AND 3. charge them at ten times the regular billing rate, all conveniently directly debited from their bank accounts ?????

The OPTION to SELECT between halting data access OR continued access at 20c p/meg is supposed to be given to new users, why hasn't it been to these roped in by the promotion???

The onus is on the user, Mweb says, to monitor the data usage alerts sent to their new Mweb email accounts. 1. The Mweb email account sign in fails repeatedly, 2. Mweb assigns their own random password and NOT the one users select and write ON the contract at the time of signing. How then, does one "monitor" usage to be notified that oops! we're charging you Rthousands here and yooooou should know it?

SCAM!
Blatant, fraudulent, SCAM.
The lay person is NOT well versed in IT technology, and is unsuspecting and unscrutinizing. Look, simply put, the average person doesn't get what "capped, but our discretion will unlimit access, recover funds, bla bla bla bla bla" means when the promotion is sold to them with buzz words like it's FREE, it's capped don't worry there's a limit and you have to buy more.

The truth is Mweb has set up a brilliant SCAM to debit hundreds of thousands from new unsuspecting user's bank accounts, I have friends at Mweb, and it's happening to LOTS of people, and there's not a dammd thing they can do about it. Hours on the phone get you nowhere. "Escalating" faults and "looking in to it" goes nowhere.

Shame on Mweb for false and deceitful advertising. Yes shame on the customers for not scrutinizing absolutely carefully the 11 973 words contained within the contract. Where a promotion should be aimed at PROMOTING the value of the product, it in fact confuses, scams, and defrauds. Shame on you Mweb. I welcome any similar new user to whom this has happened to print this page, and hand it out outside any Game or Mweb store. Shame on you Mweb!

Hi mrjondu,

As per our PM's, we are curretly investigating this matter for you.
Someone will also be in contact with you in due course with regards to your query.

Kind regards,
MWEB Guy
 
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