Internet providers lose out on licences

Pathetic, I can't see any justification for this except that the government wants more control.
 
Pushed back another decade in the telecoms race, we must be so far behind that our nearest competitors are still using rocks on beaches to leave messages for each other. :(
 
I cannot see what good ICASA actually do? Have they done anything useful at all?
 
Syndyre said:
...government wants more control.
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= nail on head

The days of private enterprise and competition are over (even though we never even got to explore it fully).

Expect more nationalisation and government control to creep in over the next few years. There will be no more liberalisation and unbundling of state to private enterprise.
 
sometimes when I read articles on MyBB, I turn a dark shade of red and feel a very strong urge to pick up an M16 and just have some fun. Sure, I'll get arrested and spend the rest of my life being buggered in prison but MAN! Imagine what those few minutes must feel like before they get to you! Every single player in the ICT game from government to ICASA to Telkom and their lawyers. They'll all get it. Grrrrrrr...
 
The only reason this is surprising is that it took ICASA so long to say they weren't going to do anything other than what they've done previously, i.e. screw the general public and benefit guavamunt owned telecoms companies.

Guavamunt stake in telecommunications has been proven repeatedly by other countries to not work, yet here in SA, they're still claiming it'll never get better without their funding/intervention, yet it's not improving WITH their funding/intervention.

*sigh* When will guavamunt learn?
 
sigh. its at times like this i wish i was a better shot with a rifle. be so easy to go perch on a nice high building and take pot shots at the telkom execs. every time they announce something you dont like, shoot an executive. they will soon learn that if they p*ss ppl off one of them dies. they can treat it like a lottery.

"ok we going to annoy the public. wonder who gets the short straw this time"

the bonus is that with the state of the saps they would never catch you.
 
Ironic though it seems, it's unfair to blame ICASA here. In this instance, they are doing exactly what they should - upholding the rule of law. They are not, as some would like, simply be doing what the Minister of Communications said she'd like - giving ECNS licences to various VANS that she happens to like for one or other reason - in the face of the EC Act that was debated at length and voted on in parliament, flawed though it may be.

For a body like ICASA simply to follow the whims of a government minister, rather than uphold laws made in parliament, leads to eventually in one direction - Zimbabwe.

It's actually very refreshing to see a regulator sticking to the law, based on sound legal advice, and ignoring the opinions of politicians. The competition commission does this often. This is precisely why Altech had challenged the process - ICASA cannot simply give away licences to VANS that they (or the Minister) happens to like (e.g. they have heavyweight party supporters on their Boards, for example), and discriminate against all others. When it comes to abusing market power, just what is the difference between a large VANS that has a dominant market position in their sector, and one of the telcos that has the same in theirs?
 
ads said:
Ironic though it seems, it's unfair to blame ICASA here. In this instance, they are doing exactly what they should - upholding the rule of law. They are not, as some would like, simply be doing what the Minister of Communications said she'd like - giving ECNS licences to various VANS that she happens to like for one or other reason - in the face of the EC Act that was debated at length and voted on in parliament, flawed though it may be.

For a body like ICASA simply to follow the whims of a government minister, rather than uphold laws made in parliament, leads to eventually in one direction - Zimbabwe.

It's actually very refreshing to see a regulator sticking to the law, based on sound legal advice, and ignoring the opinions of politicians. The competition commission does this often. This is precisely why Altech had challenged the process - ICASA cannot simply give away licences to VANS that they (or the Minister) happens to like (e.g. they have heavyweight party supporters on their Boards, for example), and discriminate against all others. When it comes to abusing market power, just what is the difference between a large VANS that has a dominant market position in their sector, and one of the telcos that has the same in theirs?
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Regardless of that its still a stupid policy. The more players there are in the market the harder it'll be for them to act monopolistically and abuse their power.
 
icasa is changing things to someones favor.
 
wow.. And there i was hoping something good would happen...
Why do they just ruin everything??? For years now i been reading myadsl, well myBB...
Never really spoke on it though.. Always hear about court cases, etc... NOTHING EVER HAPPENS ;(
Getting sick and tired of it... ICASA is ruining this country's Broadband.. or they definitely not giving any go aheads for improvement... They just putting us back in the gutter everytime someone tries.
 
stoke said:
I once again call on the Minister of Communications to free the market so that competition can bloom.
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I would rather call for a very very large hole to materialise under Poison Ivy such that she and her plants descend into the pit of hell.
Altech Autopage had already predicted it would be denied a full-scale licence and has launched a legal challenge to halt the entire process. Altech CEO Craig Venter said clarity was needed on whether old Vans licences allowed companies to build their own network, in which case they were entitled to new licences bestowing the same conditions.
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Seems to me like Altech Autopage's strategy was and is necessary - even with the additional delays it brings, perhaps it would make sense for Internet Solutions & MWeb to join the legal battle, and while they're at it, can they perhaps lodge a formal complaint against !CASA with the Competition Commission for !CASA's anti-competitive practices - of course the CC would have to discuss !CASA's anti-competitive practices with !CASA and thrash out who has jurisdiction - and !CASA should automatically recuse itself due to the possibility of being biased in favour of itself...
 
so what about the guys at ammobia and aerosat, sa wireless etc etc?they are obviously goin 2 continue operating which they shuld, bt does this mean that they are now illegal? such bs
 
MWEB pumped a fortune into this. It is actually very sad.....
 
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