Why do they call the "Assistant refs"...

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...if they do not know the rules of rugby!!!!

In this mornings game the rules clearly state if a player's legs are lifted above horizontal and he is not put down the offending player must be sent off. With John Smit, the ref consulted the "assistant" who stated what had happened but made no recommendation about a card!

Now in the Sharks game the assistant is standing less than 1m away from play at the lineout... the Bulls hooker throws the ball to Russouw who caught the ball about 2m inside the 5m line and the "assistant" did not call it!!! When play stopped the ref even asked him about it but he said the ball travelled 5m!

I am sure if I waited until the end of this match and watched past matches I could find a lot more instances!

Are these "assistants" blind, moronic, cheats or all of the above!!!??!!
 
LancelotSA said:
Are these "assistants" blind, moronic, cheats or all of the above!!!??!!
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Most of these assistant refs are also proper refs. I think they know what the rules are, they are just "conviniently blind" to favour one team over the other.
PS, Lance this is unusually pessimistic from you. :D
 
Just_Ice said:
Most of these assistant refs are also proper refs. I think they know what the rules are, they are just "conviniently blind" to favour one team over the other.
PS, Lance this is unusually pessimistic from you. :D
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Ha ha it just really annoys me... how could he not see the ball never went 5m? He has nothing else to do at the time besides hold the flag in the air! And he is standing right there! And it resulted in a 5m scrum on the Sharks line for the Bulls and ultimately 7 points!
 
Like I said, they are convieniently blind at just the right times
 
wasn't that "assistant ref" the same guy that handled the WP - Sharks game during the CC opener?
 
And then with the try of the bulls against the Sharks. Didn't watch the whole game, but I think it was the 2nd try, around half time. The was way forward. The ref went up stairs but the tv ref said there was no forward pass. if you look at the grass cuts, it was way forward! :mad: Can't remember a Currie Cup game were I weren't unhappy! :rolleyes:
 
killadoob said:
why cant they use the tv umpire to make a decision about that spear tackle?
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This isnt crickent :D Its a TMO :D
I think the rules prohibit you from referring to the TMO on certain decisions
 
Just_Ice said:
This isnt crickent :D Its a TMO :D
I think the rules prohibit you from referring to the TMO on certain decisions
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This is changing... did you see the nightmare that was the Sharks/Bulls game? Dangerous play can now be referred to the TMO to decide on!!

Some wimpy Bulls player complained about a little tap to the head and made the ref get the TMO to check it out. A nightmare it was. The game took over 100 minutes to complete!
 
"Eye gouging, eye gouging Ref" ..... and then was proved to be a liar by the video evidence. Shameful that the ref even went and checked it out just on the bullsh*t (ironic that word eh) whining of the BB player :rolleyes:
 
Standing right behind the guy throwing in at the line out the "asst. ref" cannot even judge if the ball was thrown in straight. Never mind see it goes 5 m which is marginally more difficult.Watch how many throw into are right into the chests of the jumpers!
 
LancelotSA said:
This is changing... did you see the nightmare that was the Sharks/Bulls game? Dangerous play can now be referred to the TMO to decide on!!

Some wimpy Bulls player complained about a little tap to the head and made the ref get the TMO to check it out. A nightmare it was. The game took over 100 minutes to complete!
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Mephisto_Helix said:
"Eye gouging, eye gouging Ref" ..... and then was proved to be a liar by the video evidence. Shameful that the ref even went and checked it out just on the bullsh*t (ironic that word eh) whining of the BB player :rolleyes:
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Foul play is worth a look in my opinion.

Shame that the cameras couldn't spot the foul play that resulted in Derick Kuun being sent off, though it's interesting that no-one complains about that, but can complain about the Blue Bulls asking the referee to check for foul play is worth a complaint...

As for the 7 points that we received from that (admittedly not even close to 5m) pass, Danie Rossouw scored an excellent try that wasn't awarded. Even the commentators started bashing the referee...

So, yes the game was mostly a farce, but I believe being able to use the TMO is a good thing (as long as he makes the correct decisions :rolleyes:).

Right, I've said what I had to say. Let the Blue Bulls supporter bashing commence :D

EDIT: I'm not condoning the refs, they were pathetic. Especially JC Fortuin :rolleyes:
 
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WKJ?:beanie said:
Shame that the cameras couldn't spot the foul play that resulted in Derick Kuun being sent off, though it's interesting that no-one complains about that, but can complain about the Blue Bulls asking the referee to check for foul play is worth a complaint...
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The TMO was not called to comment on the Kuun incident as the assistant has seen what happened and made the call. So of little concern as to whether it could be seen on TV or not! It was also not a Sharks player who went crying to the ref asking him to check with the TMO for the little tap he got. The Bulls, player in true Bulls tradition, was stupid enough to do it right next to the assistant.... intelligence cannot be coached!

WKJ?:beanie said:
As for the 7 points that we received from that (admittedly not even close to 5m) pass, Danie Rossouw scored an excellent try that wasn't awarded. Even the commentators started bashing the referee...
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We'll wait for the one to appear on www.sareferees.co.za to settle this, as to everyone except a blind Bulls fan, and of course Joel who appears to have developed a hatred for the Sharks, Rossouw definitely crawled! I do not say probably, as it was definite!

WKJ?:beanie said:
So, yes the game was mostly a farce, but I believe being able to use the TMO is a good thing (as long as he makes the correct decisions :rolleyes:).
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After one demonstration of the TMO getting involved for foul play calls I can tell you now that the IRB would be absolutely crazy to allow their role to extend this far! To tell you in truth even in a lot of "scoring a try" (except in Danie's case of course!) decisions they are getting it wrong.

WKJ?:beanie said:
EDIT: I'm not condoning the refs, they were pathetic. Especially JC Fortuin :rolleyes:
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Aha, it took a while but now you are showing some sense! :) But lucky for you most, actually all, of the bad calls went against the Sharks.... but you will have your day. You got lucky in the 2007 Super 14 too.... it won't last forever!

EDIT : And we have not even discussed the final try that was awarded after it appeared that the ref had already blown his whistle prior to the try being scored!!
 
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LancelotSA said:
The TMO was not called to comment on the Kuun incident as the assistant has seen what happened and made the call. So of little concern as to whether it could be seen on TV or not! It was also not a Sharks player who went crying to the ref asking him to check with the TMO for the little tap he got. The Bulls, player in true Bulls tradition, was stupid enough to do it right next to the assistant.... intelligence cannot be coached!
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What a nice thing to say... I'm merely pointing out that of the (at least) 5 cameras that are directed at the players at any given time, not one found any evidence of the alleged infringement. Strange...

LancelotSA said:
We'll wait for the one to appear on www.sareferees.co.za to settle this, as to everyone except a blind Bulls fan, and of course Joel who appears to have developed a hatred for the Sharks, Rossouw definitely crawled! I do not say probably, as it was definite!
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You are allowed to place the ball in any direction and it is not considered crawling. Though you are allowed your opinion of what constitutes crawling, in my opinion he merely placed the ball.

LancelotSA said:
After one demonstration of the TMO getting involved for foul play calls I can tell you now that the IRB would be absolutely crazy to allow their role to extend this far! To tell you in truth even in a lot of "scoring a try" (except in Danie's case of course!) decisions they are getting it wrong.
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See above :)

Though I feel that allegations of foul play are worth a look. Wouldn't you have liked it if the referee asked the TMO about the spear tackle in the Springboks game?

LancelotSA said:
Aha, it took a while but now you are showing some sense! :) But lucky for you most, actually all, of the bad calls went against the Sharks.... but you will have your day. You got lucky in the 2007 Super 14 too.... it won't last forever!
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Again, what a nice thing to say... My apologies if the latter part was really meant as a compliment, though ;)

All of the bad calls? I beg to differ. But I get the feeling a debate is going to end in more of the above, no? :p

LancelotSA said:
EDIT : And we have not even discussed the final try that was awarded after it appeared that the ref had already blown his whistle prior to the try being scored!!
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Agreed, the whistle had been blown which is why I wasn't impressed by the TMO awarding the try, hence my statement.

I'm not going to pursue this further, I'm not in the mood for pointless team bashing. I only wanted to have my say. ;)

EDIT: I completely understand why you are upset with the refs, I am as well. But I don't blame the Sharks for their mistakes. Neither will I bash the Sharks, they're a brilliant team :)
 
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Ha ha I am sure we can go back and forth all day! :)

WKJ?:beanie said:
What a nice thing to say... I'm merely pointing out that of the (at least) 5 cameras that are directed at the players at any given time, not one found any evidence of the alleged infringement. Strange...
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Well not too strange actually as you will find in most stadiums all the fixed cameras are on the main grandstand, with one behind each set of poles usually, and sometimes fixed cameras on each corner. On the opposite side of the field the only camera along the touchline is one which is hand held and that guy runs up and down the line. Easy for him to have not been in the right place. However, the assistant would have been right there....

You are allowed to place the ball in any direction and it is not considered crawling. Though you are allowed your opinion of what constitutes crawling.
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Yes, you are totally right, you are allowed to place the ball, immediately after going to ground. Russouw did not do this. He was slightly short so he skooted forward, only once but it does not matter if it was half, on his elbows before placing the ball.


See above :)
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See above :) :)


Though I feel that allegations of foul play are worth a look. Wouldn't you have liked it if the referee asked the TMO about the spear tackle in the Springboks game?
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Not if it means the game getting delayed for 10 minutes while the TMO searches for the incident mentioned. In the game yesterday he was not even told what he was supposedly looking for. And you know another problem? If you watch every ruck in slow motion you will find an indiscretion if you look hard enough. All that will happen in due course is you make it your game plan to get someone to complain to the ref after every particularly aggressive ruck in the hope that the TMO will find something to penalise! It won't work. Leave things missed by the ref to the citing commissioner.

I'm not going to pursue this further, I'm not in the mood for pointless team bashing. I only wanted to have my say. ;)
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And me mine.... isn't sport great! :)
 
LancelotSA said:
Ha ha I am sure we can go back and forth all day! :)
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:)

LancelotSA said:
Well not too strange actually as you will find in most stadiums all the fixed cameras are on the main grandstand, with one behind each set of poles usually, and sometimes fixed cameras on each corner. On the opposite side of the field the only camera along the touchline is one which is hand held and that guy runs up and down the line. Easy for him to have not been in the right place. However, the assistant would have been right there....
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I just found it strange that there was no evidence of it happening. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. I'm not too fond of Derick Kuun so it probably did :p

LancelotSA said:
Yes, you are totally right, you are allowed to place the ball, immediately after going to ground. Russouw did not do this. He was slightly short so he skooted forward, only once but it does not matter if it was half, on his elbows before placing the ball.

See above :) :)

Not if it means the game getting delayed for 10 minutes while the TMO searches for the incident mentioned. In the game yesterday he was not even told what he was supposedly looking for. And you know another problem? If you what every ruck in slow motion you will find an indiscretion if you look hard enough. All that will happen in due course is you make it your game plan to get someone to complain to the ref after every particularly aggressive ruck in the hope that the TMO will find something to penalise! It won't work. Leave things missed by the ref to the citing commissioner.
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I still feel foul play is worth an investigation, if a red card offense is missed the player has an influence on the outcome of the game so I'd prefer if they nip it in the bud.

LancelotSA said:
And me mine.... isn't sport great! :)
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It sure is :) Been nice debating with you, as always ;)
 
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