Muslims comdemn Islamic State

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Fury05

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ISIS your actions are un-islamic and insane.
Islam does not promote any of the actions you are carrying out. DONOT murder innocent civillians and claim you do it for ISLAM.

#MuslimsAgainstISIS
 
ChiLLs said:
ISIS your actions are un-islamic and insane.
Islam does not promote any of the actions you are carrying out. DONOT murder innocent civillians and claim you do it for ISLAM.

#MuslimsAgainstISIS
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well Said

#MuslimsAgainstISIS
 
I am sorry. I dont buy this. Do they also release statements like this when a woman is stoned to death for supposed adultery or I dont know, showing hair in public? Do they release these statements when a man who is accused of being gay is hanged? How about when a child is married off to a old man.

If they do release statements condemning these actions then I will apologize and accept this statement as being sincere.
 
If what the media claims they are doing is true, then yes, they must be condemned in the strongest terms. That is not Islam.

But ISIS claims that the majority of the media reports are false, labelling it as propoganda from western media. I am not defending them, I don't know who to believe, or how legit their claims are, but check this video out for an alternative perspective (which could just turn out to be ISIS propaganda):

Watch "The Light Revelations Pt. 23 (Propaganda Of The Elite: Lies Against Dowlah) HD

[video=youtube_share;1iDcJGaB11I]http://youtu.be/1iDcJGaB11I[/video]
 
Saajid said:
If what the media claims they are doing is true, then yes, they must be condemned in the strongest terms. That is not Islam.

But ISIS claims that the majority of the media reports are false, labelling it as propoganda from western media. I am not defending them, I don't know who to believe, or how legit their claims are, but check this video out for an alternative perspective (which could just turn out to be ISIS propaganda):

Watch "The Light Revelations Pt. 23 (Propaganda Of The Elite: Lies Against Dowlah) HD

[video=youtube_share;1iDcJGaB11I]http://youtu.be/1iDcJGaB11I[/video]
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Words fail me...
 
Ockie said:
I am sorry. I dont buy this. Do they also release statements like this when a woman is stoned to death for supposed adultery or I dont know, showing hair in public? Do they release these statements when a man who is accused of being gay is hanged? How about when a child is married off to a old man.

If they do release statements condemning these actions then I will apologize and accept this statement as being sincere.
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I am sorry but what would be good enough for you? Threads are created on myBB about Muslims not condemning actions of groups like these, here they are openly doing so and it is not good enough.

You claim to be all for human rights and equality but when a step is taken in the right direction, you need to take us two steps back. Support the good and condemn the evil, as simple as that. No one is saying things are even near to perfect but for goodness sake take some positives out of it. To question the sincerity of this is as backward as you allude Muslims to be.
 
Saajid said:
If what the media claims they are doing is true, then yes, they must be condemned in the strongest terms. That is not Islam.

But ISIS claims that the majority of the media reports are false, labelling it as propoganda from western media. I am not defending them, I don't know who to believe, or how legit their claims are, but check this video out for an alternative perspective (which could just turn out to be ISIS propaganda):

Watch "The Light Revelations Pt. 23 (Propaganda Of The Elite: Lies Against Dowlah) HD

[video=youtube_share;1iDcJGaB11I]http://youtu.be/1iDcJGaB11I[/video]
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So what is the take on ISIS from Middle-Eastern/Arabic media? Surely that shouldn't be too hard for you to find and make up your mind.
 
Saajid said:
If what the media claims they are doing is true, then yes, they must be condemned in the strongest terms. That is not Islam.

But ISIS claims that the majority of the media reports are false, labelling it as propoganda from western media. I am not defending them, I don't know who to believe, or how legit their claims are, but check this video out for an alternative perspective (which could just turn out to be ISIS propaganda):

Watch "The Light Revelations Pt. 23 (Propaganda Of The Elite: Lies Against Dowlah) HD

[video=youtube_share;1iDcJGaB11I]http://youtu.be/1iDcJGaB11I[/video]
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Open video. Hear ear destroying music. Close video.

Nope.
 
Fury05 said:
I am sorry but what would be good enough for you? Threads are created on myBB about Muslims not condemning actions of groups like these, here they are openly doing so and it is not good enough.

You claim to be all for human rights and equality but when a step is taken in the right direction, you need to take us two steps back. Support the good and condemn the evil, as simple as that. No one is saying things are even near to perfect but for goodness sake take some positives out of it. To question the sincerity of this is as backward as you allude Muslims to be.
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I am not sure about Ockie. But I would start believing the sincerity of muslims when I actually see for myself even more outrage directed at muslim atrocities than the outrage directed at Israel. Until then it is just lip service.

But I will give you a practical example. A few weeks ago I saw a large crowd of muslims protesting against Israel. Their protest took place at the roadside near the local mall. Thus far I have yet to see a single muslim standing by the road-side waving an anti-ISIS banner.

When that starts to happen I might start to change my mind. Until then nope no brownie points to be scored here.
 
ShaunSA said:
I am not sure about Ockie. But I would start believing the sincerity of muslims when I actually see for myself even more outrage directed at muslim atrocities than the outrage directed at Israel. Until then it is just lip service.

But I will give you a practical example. A few weeks ago I saw a large crowd of muslims protesting against Israel. Their protest took place at the roadside near the local mall. Thus far I have yet to see a single muslim standing by the road-side waving an anti-ISIS banner.

When that starts to happen I might start to change my mind. Until then nope no brownie points to be scored here.
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That is definitely not what I meant in the post. I am agreeing that the same outrage needs to be directed at all attrocities throughout the world. I have regular discussions with family, colleagues, friends etc. asking why all the outrage for Gaza (which is dispicable by the way), and not for Syria/Iraq, what about all the other Muslims, Christians, etc. suffering around the world.

All I am saying is when a group takes the time to actively condemn wrong, someone needs to bring the sincerity into question. In the same vein as I tell any Muslim willing to listen, that they cannot alienate themselves and not consider themselves part of the rest of the world, I cannot help but ask the same to non-muslims. Questioning their sincerity when they try to show the world that we are not all the same only serves to widen the divide between all people.
 
Fury05 said:
All I am saying is when a group takes the time to actively condemn wrong, someone needs to bring the sincerity into question. In the same vein as I tell any Muslim willing to listen, that they cannot alienate themselves and not consider themselves part of the rest of the world, I cannot help but ask the same to non-muslims. Questioning their sincerity when they try to show the world that we are not all the same only serves to widen the divide between all people.
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OK I have no idea what your stand is.
 
ShaunSA said:
I am not sure about Ockie. But I would start believing the sincerity of muslims when I actually see for myself even more outrage directed at muslim atrocities than the outrage directed at Israel. Until then it is just lip service.

But I will give you a practical example. A few weeks ago I saw a large crowd of muslims protesting against Israel. Their protest took place at the roadside near the local mall. Thus far I have yet to see a single muslim standing by the road-side waving an anti-ISIS banner.

When that starts to happen I might start to change my mind. Until then nope no brownie points to be scored here.
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Well, we had half a million Muslims rampaging through Bangladesh asking for atheists to be hanged for writing blog posts.

Apparently what ISIS is doing isn't as bad as writing blog posts.
 
Fury05 said:
Apologies I meant to say, "why does someone feel the need to bring the sincerity into question".
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Because it's easy to run off a press release. I stopped believing in words a long time ago. Now I judge by actions.

I think what muslims need to realise is that a large portion of the moderate world is starting to wake up and start taking note of you guys actions and reactions. It won't be long before this world starts to make up its mind. Then there will be no going back.
 
Fury05 said:
I am sorry but what would be good enough for you? Threads are created on myBB about Muslims not condemning actions of groups like these, here they are openly doing so and it is not good enough.

You claim to be all for human rights and equality but when a step is taken in the right direction, you need to take us two steps back. Support the good and condemn the evil, as simple as that. No one is saying things are even near to perfect but for goodness sake take some positives out of it. To question the sincerity of this is as backward as you allude Muslims to be.
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I am sorry, but it ring false to me. I get the feeling they are doing this to be able to say "look, we dont agree with it" and save some face or whatever. I am looking at the bigger picture of Islam and things commited in its name in the middle east and elsewhere. Not just this one incident.

Sorry, I dont buy it.
 
Ockie said:
I am sorry, but it ring false to me. I get the feeling they are doing this to be able to say "look, we dont agree with it" and save some face or whatever. I am looking at the bigger picture of Islam and things commited in its name in the middle east and elsewhere. Not just this one incident.

Sorry, I dont buy it.
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Mmm, and they will turn around and say this is exactly why there is no point condemning these things if people are going to question our sincerity.

Spin it however you want but the comments you are making and negativity will keep feeding the divide between humanity. No one is making excuses for anyone, the only way to look at it is a step, a small step, in the right direction.
 
Fury05 said:
Mmm, and they will turn around and say this is exactly why there is no point condemning these things if people are going to question our sincerity.

Spin it however you want but the comments you are making and negativity will keep feeding the divide between humanity. No one is making excuses for anyone, the only way to look at it is a step, a small step, in the right direction.
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No. Islam is doing a perfectly good job on its own. I am sorry. But I cant help it if this condemnation comes across as false to me. Why should I believe a press statement from someone that has got nothing to say about people being hanged or stoned for things like being gay or being accused of adultery or someone that wants to renounce islam? I would rather take the paper that condemnation is written on and wipe my cats bum with it.
 
Ockie said:
No. Islam is doing a perfectly good job on its own. I am sorry. But I cant help it if this condemnation comes across as false to me. Why should I believe a press statement from someone that has got nothing to say about people being hanged or stoned for things like being gay or being accused of adultery or someone that wants to renounce islam? I would rather take the paper that condemnation is written on and wipe my cats bum with it.
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I rest my case.
 
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