The Rugby Thread - Part Deux

There're some test matches Rassie treats as an endowment policy. This was one of them. He's sowing 2031 seeds.
 
Spizz said:
So would you not say it’s a sprinkling of A team players and the rest missing are replaced by B team players?
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It's a Springbok team. Good enough to win the next 2 world cups.

Watch and learn.
 
Here's a little thought experiment / status check to see where we are currently. Don't flame me

1st XV (23)
  • Nche, Marx, du Toit, Etzebeth, de Jager, Siya, PSDT, Wiese, Reinach, SFM, KLA, DDA, Jessie, Cheslin, Willemse
  • van Staaden, Steenekamp, Louw, RG, Hanekom, Esterhuizen, WIlliams, Pollard
2nd XV (23)
  • Mchunu, AHV, Malherbe, Nortje, Mostert, de Villiers, Dixon, Kwagga, Papier, Libbok, Hooker, Am, Moodie, vd Merwe, Fassi
  • Bongi, Koch, Fouche, Kleyn, Roos, Faf, Horn, Mapimpi
3rd XV (23)
  • Venter, Grobbelaar, Porthen, Moerat, Wiese, Louw, Tshituka (V), Augustus, vd Berg, Hendrikse, ??, van Wyk, ??, ??, Willie
  • vd Merwe, Wessels, Nyakane, Norten, du Preez, Jantjies, ??, ??
Cover in the backs is more shallow than among the forwads, but I reckon even that 2nd XV would give most international teams a good run.

*I only choose players that have been in the Springbok setup over the past 2 years.
 
Rassie's has said, he wants SA to be the no. 1 side in world rugby and the SA A side, no. 2... He's getting closer and closer.
 
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sand_man said:
Rassie's has said, he wants SA to be the no. 1 side in works rugby and the SA A side, no. 2... He's getting closer and closer.
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Also, you can’t play the same 23 in every game for 4 years…
 
Speedster said:
Here's a little thought experiment / status check to see where we are currently. Don't flame me

1st XV (23)
  • Nche, Marx, du Toit, Etzebeth, de Jager, Siya, PSDT, Wiese, Reinach, SFM, KLA, DDA, Jessie, Cheslin, Willemse
  • van Staaden, Steenekamp, Louw, RG, Hanekom, Esterhuizen, WIlliams, Pollard
2nd XV (23)
  • Mchunu, AHV, Malherbe, Nortje, Mostert, de Villiers, Dixon, Kwagga, Papier, Libbok, Hooker, Am, Moodie, vd Merwe, Fassi
  • Bongi, Koch, Fouche, Kleyn, Roos, Faf, Horn, Mapimpi
3rd XV (23)
  • Venter, Grobbelaar, Porthen, Moerat, Wiese, Louw, Tshituka (V), Augustus, vd Berg, Hendrikse, ??, van Wyk, ??, ??, Willie
  • vd Merwe, Wessels, Nyakane, Norten, du Preez, Jantjies, ??, ??
Cover in the backs is more shallow than among the forwads, but I reckon even that 2nd XV would give most international teams a good run.

*I only choose players that have been in the Springbok setup over the past 2 years.
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The only two that would be difficult for me would be replacing Lood with Mostert, and do you start Reinach or Grant Williams. :)
 
Spizz said:
I don’t know if calling it a B/C team is copium or insulting. Surely it was an A/B?
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IMHO... without prejudice... assuming everyone is fit, that's played over the last 2 seasons... in order of preference/most likely selection... IE Boan is most likely picked on the bench for the B team ( A team starter Ox, A team bench Steenekamp)

1. Boan Venter - B team bench/B team starter
2. Grobbelaar - B team bench
3. Wilco Louw - A team bench/starter
4. Cobus Wiese - C team starter/bench
5. Ruan Nortje - A team bench/starter
6. Paul de Villiers - B team starter/bench
7. PSDT - A team starter/bench
8. Evan Roos - C team starter/bench
9. Embrose Papier - D team starter
10. Pollard - A team starter/bench
11. Ethan Hooker - B team starter/bench
12. Damian Willemse - (at 12) A team bench/starter
13. Jesse Kriel - A team starter
14. Edwill - B team bench/starter
15. Fassi - A team bench/B team starter
16. Jan-Hendrick - A team bench/B team bench
17. Mchunu - B team bench
18. Porthen - B team bench
19. Vince Tshituka - C team starter
20. BJD - B team starter/A team bench
21. elrigh Louw - B team starter/A team bench
22. Grant - A team bench/starter
23. Quan Horn - B team bench/C team starter
 
Speedster said:
Here's a little thought experiment / status check to see where we are currently. Don't flame me

1st XV (23)
  • Nche, Marx, du Toit, Etzebeth, de Jager, Siya, PSDT, Wiese, Reinach, SFM, KLA, DDA, Jessie, Cheslin, Willemse
  • van Staaden, Steenekamp, Louw, RG, Hanekom, Esterhuizen, WIlliams, Pollard
2nd XV (23)
  • Mchunu, AHV, Malherbe, Nortje, Mostert, de Villiers, Dixon, Kwagga, Papier, Libbok, Hooker, Am, Moodie, vd Merwe, Fassi
  • Bongi, Koch, Fouche, Kleyn, Roos, Faf, Horn, Mapimpi
3rd XV (23)
  • Venter, Grobbelaar, Porthen, Moerat, Wiese, Louw, Tshituka (V), Augustus, vd Berg, Hendrikse, ??, van Wyk, ??, ??, Willie
  • vd Merwe, Wessels, Nyakane, Norten, du Preez, Jantjies, ??, ??
Cover in the backs is more shallow than among the forwads, but I reckon even that 2nd XV would give most international teams a good run.

*I only choose players that have been in the Springbok setup over the past 2 years.
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This is an interesting exercise and one worth conducting...
 
I think we need to temper our expectations and I say this a lot...

Scotland were ranked 5th coming into this match. The Bok 23 was basically a concoction of the best of the rest with a handful of stalwarts for stability.

Scotland, on the other hand, came pretty much fully loaded (missing Kinghorn and Jones), a very experienced, well coached, cohesive 23 and it showed. They played with far more rhythm, continuity and accuracy than we did.

Their ability to control play through multiple phases (5+ phases) on numerous occasions is typical of how Glasgow/Scotland play.

They're actually an incredibly skillful side but perhaps without X factor, WOW players, I always felt Duhan was their X-factor player. Collectively they're a polished outfit. Beaten France and England in the last 6 nations and beat Argentina in Argentina, prior to taking the long trip to SA.

I also feel they had the sympathy of the ref re the 50/50s....

In closing, taking all factors into account, to outscore them 6 tries to 4 and win by a 2 score margin is really impressive.

What was incredibly jarring to watch is how easily they scored some of those 2nd half tries (Scotland). If I'm going to have a complaint, it's that...
 
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sand_man said:
I think we need to temper our expectations and I say this a lot...

Scotland were ranked 5th coming into this match. The Bok 23 was basically a concoction of the best of the rest with a handful of stalwarts for stability.

Scotland, on the other hand, came pretty much fully loaded (missing Kinghorn and Jones), a very experienced, well coached, cohesive 23 and it showed. They played with far more rhythm, continuity and accuracy than we did.

Their ability to control play through multiple phases (5+ phases) on numerous occasions is typical of how Glasgow/Scotland play.

They're actually an incredibly skillful side but perhaps without X factor, WOW players, I always felt Duhan was their X-factor player. Collectively they're a polished outfit. Beaten France and England in the last 6 nations and beat Argentina in Argentina, prior to taking the long trip to SA.

I also feel they had the sympathy of the ref re the 50/50s....

In closing, taking all factors into account, to outscore them 6 tries to 4 and win by a 2 score margin is really impressive.

What was incredibly jarring to watch is how easily they scored some of those 2nd half tries (Scotland). If I'm going to have a complaint, it's that...
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Their last two scores kinda were sloppy from us, Zac and Nortjie just got lazy.

Take away those last 2 tries then it’s a schlaaaacking.

Wales I think is going to feel the full force next game, easy 50 plus on the cards.
 
Our forwards looked tired if im honest. Early season still.

We are going to klap the kiwis
 
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