171 Bikers caught speeding

[noxibox]

And yet, just about every regular biker I know has horror stories of all the pins and metal plates they have from biking accidents...

How often have they hurt anyone else? When someone rides at very high speeds there are going to be the occasional accidents. They know the dangers. They're not dead.

Both the bikers I know who died were killed by negligent motorists.

Stupid laws breed disrespect for the law. Motorcyclists ignore the speed limits on highways because those limits are stupid - they seldom make sense for cars and they never make sense for a vehicle like a motorcycle. At least the government gave up their moron idea of prosecuting motorcyclists for lane splitting.

 

[BobbyMac]

How often have they hurt anyone else? When someone rides at very high speeds there are going to be the occasional accidents. They know the dangers. They're not dead.

Both the bikers I know who died were killed by negligent motorists.

Stupid laws breed disrespect for the law. Motorcyclists ignore the speed limits on highways because those limits are stupid - they seldom make sense for cars and they never make sense for a vehicle like a motorcycle. At least the government gave up their moron idea of prosecuting motorcyclists for lane splitting.

In my own experience: I know of 3 accidents where a Motorcycle was involved that resulted in the death of people other than the motorcyclists. As you can see, generalisation is a double edged sword: it cuts both ways.

 

[noxibox]

The point is that they are breaking the law.

Screw the law. If a law is wrong it should be disobeyed.

I have no idea why people are willing to blindly follow any law.

 

[BobbyMac]

Screw the law. If a law is wrong it should be disobeyed.

I have no idea why people are willing to blindly follow any law.

It also happens to be the law in most other countries, yet in most other countries people are not so cavalier about it. Ironic then, isn't it, that a country as nonchalant as this one regarding traffic and safety rules also has one of the highest fatality rates on the roads in the world? The laws are not wrong: the criminals breaking the laws are.

 

[noxibox]

In my own experience: I know of 3 accidents where a Motorcycle was involved that resulted in the death of people other than the motorcyclists. As you can see, generalisation is a double edged sword: it cuts both ways.

Caused by the car?

I was not generalising. Are occupants of a car statistically as likely to be killed by a negligent motorcyclist as they are by a negligent motorist?

 

[BobbyMac]

Caused by the car?

I was not generalising. Are occupants of a car statistically as likely to be killed by a negligent motorcyclist as they are by a negligent motorist?

Two of the accidents involved cars, the other involved a truck. The one that involved a truck resulted in the the motorcyclist being mentally incapacitated to the point that he cannot feel any guilt about his best friend who died because of his negligence. The truck driver was also very lucky to be alive. One of the accidents that involved the car was the fault of the motorcyclist weaving through traffic, and the other was thanks to the motorcyclist speeding at an enormous speed.

Bringing statistics into it is a hoot. There are incredibly more cars on the road in SA than motorcycles. The odds of being in a car accident are, statistically, overwhelmingly higher than being in a motorcycle accident. Here's a question to all the motorcyclists: how many of you have had accidents (and how many) on a bike? And motorists: same question... Everyone I know that rides a bike has had at least one incident. Here's the kicker: all of you folks on motorcycles are always so keen to point out incidents are not your fault. What a surprise.

 

[noxibox]

It also happens to be the law in most other countries, yet in most other countries people are not so cavalier about it.

Motorcyclists all over the world ignore the speed limit.

Ironic

Don't think so, no.

then, isn't it, that a country as nonchalant as this one regarding traffic and safety rules also has one of the highest fatality rates on the roads in the world?

And motorcyclists contribute the majority of these?

Unroadworthy cars contribute very little?

Poorly trained drivers are not a factor?

You can be really stupid in a car and get away with it. Being stupid on a motorcycle gets you hurt.

The laws are not wrong

The speed limits are wrong in many places. Too high in some places, too low in others. If they want to claim they're scientifically determined, then let's see the criteria used and the laws that ensure that all vehicles/drivers meet the exact physical requirements used to determine these speed limits.

 

[Nanfeishen]

. Here's a question to all the motorcyclists: how many of you have had accidents (and how many) on a bike? And motorists: same question... Everyone I know that rides a bike has had at least one incident. Here's the kicker: all of you folks on motorcycles are always so keen to point out incidents are not your fault. What a surprise.

In 15 years, 1 accident involving a car who turned in front of me, causing me to T bone the car, luckily was in a notoriously bad spot that i had slowed down for. No bodily harm.
2 White line slips on wet roads, more pride damaged than me or bike

Cars - 4 panelbeating accidents, and a slide on a dirt road into a donga that ended the car on its side. Whiplashed, badly bruised and cracked ribs from 4 car incidences, nothing from bikes.
Not 1 was my fault.

 

[noxibox]

Bringing statistics into it is a hoot. There are incredibly more cars on the road in SA than motorcycles.

That's exactly why statistics are the way to go. Should be relatively easy to determine which type of vehicle presents the greater risk.

Everyone I know that rides a bike has had at least one incident.

It's easier to fall when you have only two wheels. Just the physics of the thing. No speeding is required.

When I still rode a motorcycle regularly the only times I fell was when I was obeying the speed limit.

Most accidents involving motorcycles and cars are not caused by the motorcyclists.

The people out there on two wheels are in a good position to see how oblivious the average cage dweller is to other road users.

Most cyclists have also had one or more accidents. Is this because they regularly do 240kph on the motorway?

 

[BobbyMac]

Spin it whichever way you want. Any motorcyclist and motorist is placing his and other people's lives at risk every time they exceed the speed limit. Offering up "but everyone does it" as an excuse does not pass muster. It is a blatant disregard of a law, and that blatant disregard grows incessantly irresponsible the more you tick past the speed limit. I don't care what you drive or ride, speeding is against the law. And whether you or anyone feels that such a law is, well, wrong, is irrelevant. As such an opinion is meaningless in law anyway. I wonder how many thieves feel that the law is wrong. Or fraudsters. Or Tax evaders.

 

[Pitbull]

Guys Guys Guys.

Have any 1 of you ever driven the N14(R28) Road on a sunday morning 06:30 ? If your answer is no. Then pls don't point fingers. There is no cars on that highway that time of the morning. Why if there are only 3 of us on the entire Highway each on a Bike of their own me being of no danger to anyone except myself, why would it bother you if I do 250 - 280 km/h ?

I would love to have any1 of you guys get on a GSXR 1000 /1300 and drive at 120 Km/h. I doesn't happen as the Biker where not designed for driving at that speed. The Bike is built for speed. The quicker it goes the better the handling. I would never Drive more than 200 if there is other users on the road. Not because of their safety but because of mine.

So you snort Coke maybe, Smoke Weed, Sleep with you're wife's best friend... I don't I have fun and that is it. Atleast when caught I get a fine. All the above, You'd rather pay a fine if you could have that choice !!!!

 

[Getafix]

Guys Guys Guys.

Have any 1 of you ever driven the N14(R28) Road on a sunday morning 06:30 ? If your answer is no. Then pls don't point fingers. There is no cars on that highway that time of the morning. Why if there are only 3 of us on the entire Highway each on a Bike of their own me being of no danger to anyone except myself, why would it bother you if I do 250 - 280 km/h ?

I would love to have any1 of you guys get on a GSXR 1000 /1300 and drive at 120 Km/h. I doesn't happen as the Biker where not designed for driving at that speed. The Bike is built for speed. The quicker it goes the better the handling. I would never Drive more than 200 if there is other users on the road. Not because of their safety but because of mine.

So you snort Coke maybe, Smoke Weed, Sleep with you're wife's best friend... I don't I have fun and that is it. Atleast when caught I get a fine. All the above, You'd rather pay a fine if you could have that choice !!!!

Enjoy!

 

[BobbyMac]

So you snort Coke maybe, Smoke Weed, Sleep with you're wife's best friend... I don't I have fun and that is it. Atleast when caught I get a fine. All the above, You'd rather pay a fine if you could have that choice !!!!

At that speed if you get caught I believe it's "Go to Jail. Do not pass go".

It is criminal. You have no place complaining about crime in SA - you're one of the criminals.

 

[Juggy]

I have never had an accident on a bike (touch wood). I have however had about 7 accidents in cars 2 of which were my fault the other 5 were uneducated drivers not indicating, pulling out in front of me or failing to break enough and going up my ass.

 

[KillerX]

Guys Guys Guys.

Have any 1 of you ever driven the N14(R28) Road on a sunday morning 06:30 ? If your answer is no. Then pls don't point fingers. There is no cars on that highway that time of the morning. Why if there are only 3 of us on the entire Highway each on a Bike of their own me being of no danger to anyone except myself, why would it bother you if I do 250 - 280 km/h ?

I would love to have any1 of you guys get on a GSXR 1000 /1300 and drive at 120 Km/h. I doesn't happen as the Biker where not designed for driving at that speed. The Bike is built for speed. The quicker it goes the better the handling. I would never Drive more than 200 if there is other users on the road. Not because of their safety but because of mine.

I agree with you. 120 on a bike is NOTHING. You dont even use all the gears.

I also dont see the problem if someone is speeding at 200km + at 4 or 5 in the morning when there are no cars on the road. Yes its illegal - and so is urinating in public....

The bikers that 'threaten lives' are the ones weaving in and out of traffic while the highway is busy. Always trying to force their bikes through the narrows of gaps - while doing legal speeds

 

[Leitmotif]

120 on my bike is 4th gear. No problems there. Just accept that you can't be in 6th all the time.

Also: how many people do you know travelling on scooters that have had accidents? A lot, right? What about scramblers, cruisers or multipurpose? Also a lot. Not all motorcyclists ride sportsbikes, but most at some point or another encounter a careless box pilot. Bikers don't have to ride badly for people to knock them over. Here's my theory: drive agressively. Make yourself big and loud and noticeable. Travel a bit faster than everyone else. At least this way people will notice you and think twice. Works so far.

 

[Nameite]

120 is on my 2nd gear

Anyways you put urself in danger if u go over the speed limit? I think u put urself in danger just being close to the road.

And pointing finger saying we're criminals just coz we go over the speed limit? Hehe then the world is full of criminals.

I do agree that those idiots that rides drunk, speeds thru traffic at 140 while wheeling are criminals because that is reckless driving and endangering the others.

But if you ride at 300 on a road with no one, or ride at 140 to over take a car next to u on the highway, how is that a criminal act?
As long as u dont hurt others or not have any potential in causing harm to others, I believe its ok.
Damnit u cant charge a guy who committed suicide with attempted murder if he survives can u?

 

[Moederloos]

Damnit u cant charge a guy who committed suicide with attempted murder if he survives can u?

I have no idea what that means.
If you committed suicide you are dead. If you survive, you did not commit suicide.
If you mean "attmepted suicide", then that IS a crime. And you will be charged.

 

[TiredOfWaiting]

Just don't try to pass me at 250 km/h, I swerve when I get alarmed...

I can promise you that my 1.2 ton car can handle being hit by a 200kg bike at 250km/h, but can you?

If people decide to endanger others' lives, I'll endanger theirs. That's what insurance is for.

 

[Moederloos]

Just don't try to pass me at 250 km/h, I swerve when I get alarmed...

I can promise you that my 1.2 ton car can handle being hit by a 200kg bike at 250km/h, but can you?

If people decide to endanger others' lives, I'll endanger theirs. That's what insurance is for.

Brings up an interesting side note.
If some **** on a bike travelling at 200 smashes his stupid self into my car and kills himself, what's the bet I will be dragged into court to defend myself for vehicular manslaughter?
So much for the argument "It's my life and I will speed if I want to".