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20 buses burn
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alloytoo
Honorary Master
Yes, you've basically said so in almost every post.
I'll have R50 too thanks, all you have to do is tighten your belt.
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As to the issue of whether the burnt buses effect me personally, the question is simple.
I would use cheap safe reliable public transport.
I don't because because
a) this is clearly not safe, toasty but not safe.
b) Clearly not reliable, not because of any supposed fault of Putco, but because BURNT BUSES CANNOT RUN, neither can burnt trains (However supposedly late they are). This is the mental equivilant of me slashing my own tires because my car stalled and delayed my commute. It's stupid. Plain and Simple.
c)These little stunts raise costs everytime they happen, and ultimately raise the price of public transport needlessly.
oh well off to catch the ferry just now.....walk through a civilized CBD.
And you forgot to mention how this effects everyone's insurance payments - that in addition to the added premium for riot damage cover.
Couple that with the understandable negative image that impacts on investor confidence and erodes each and everyone's savings and personal investments, in addition to scaring off potential international investment (apart from the ones that bribe the pres., like the German sub builders).
It just adds to the "uncivilised" image those abroad have of SA.
Don't really see how you answered the question.
How did the 20 burnt buses affect you negatively?
Example:
a) There are many successful businessmen in SA, who are racking it in. They have a 5-star lifestyle and have everything they need.
b) Being an aspiring and go-getter person that you can be, if you quit moaning on public forums and use your assets better, let's assume you become said successful businessman mentioned in (a).
c) 20 buses are burnt down. How did this affect YOU, the successful businessman mentioned in (b)?
alloytoo
Honorary Master
It increases the cost of commuting, it increases the cost of insurances and devalues my currency.
Now if you want to forward me that R50 to cover those increases, it's micky mouse money and you can tighten your belt.
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alloytoo
Honorary Master
Decreased productivity and increased costs.
n/a if you don't use public transport. Do you?
Which insurances?
By how much (for just you)?
a) How?
b) By how much (for just you)?
c) Invest in foreign currency.
Why should I send you money? I can refuse and I don't lose it to nothing.
R50 per month because of this incident (even if it is this much) you can do nothing about, nonetheless it is p1ss money.
Become rich and successful and R50 won't bother you. You will be immune to crap like this happening all over SA. Provided of course, you are able to manage your money well and not throw it all into a new 5-series to impress the Jones'.
Same old tune fom me I know, but that is really how it is. I say it like it is.
The fact that you are here, complaining about R50 or 20 buses burning down, proves that you are either not successful, or can't manage your own money, or have nothing better to do with your time.
Many people in SA are rich and successful and wipe their butts with R50 notes. So can you (become rich and successful, that is)...
Then increase your productivity again and bypass the cost increases!!! Make a plan, for crying out loud!! Rescue that R50 you are so greatly concerned about!!
alloytoo
Honorary Master
d'oh, and is that not more expensive?
For everyone, as the insurance companies recover losses.
Risk adverse investors disinvest.
Not just for me, but for everyone using that currency. Goods and services become more expensive this is called inflation.....
Say, isn't that a) above which leads to b) above.........
Hey you're wasting so much money, what was one more $5.
Even the rich are not immune to economic conditions, especially so if their wealth is invested in operating businesses.
Now I have to ask what your 5 series BMW fetish is? I've repeated told you that it's not my dream car, nor even one I consider desirable.
yes, you repeated demonstrate your inability to grasp basic economics.
I wasn't complaining about the R50, I was merely emphasising someone elses point (Which still seems to illude you.)
Actually the rich and successful treat the R50 very carefully, which is why they're rich and successful.
alloytoo
Honorary Master
putco probably won't increase fairs because the know the consumer is in dire straits. so when the consumer comes into a better situation (possibily as rate cuts commence next year), they will start to pass on costs.
i may be wrong about the trigger point, but putco will most definitely look to pass on costs to the consumer to claw back losses at some stage. unless we believe that we are a regulated market in this field.
i may be wrong about the trigger point, but putco will most definitely look to pass on costs to the consumer to claw back losses at some stage. unless we believe that we are a regulated market in this field.
This type of savage behaviour effects all South Africans, because it takes the country one step closer to Zim 2.0
Now I kick my own butt and remind myself not to fall for the @rseholes troll bait again.
Now I kick my own butt and remind myself not to fall for the @rseholes troll bait again.
But you are not complaining on behalf of everyone.
You said it affects you directly. So I ask again: how much exactly did your, and just your, insurance increase because of the 20 buses being burnt down?
Again, I ask how much inflation increased just for you, just because of this 20 buses burning down.
Even the rich are not immune to economic conditions, especially so if their wealth is invested in operating businesses.
No, I repeatedly demonstrate how it is pointless (and irritating) to complain about things like this when you can do nothing about it, and should rather invest your time in creating a solution for yourself.
They treat all the R50's they can prevent / do something about, very carefully yes. Those they can do nothing about, like 20 buses burning down here and cops being bribed there, they ignore and spend the time productively deriving solutions for themselves and expanding their businesses, instead of complaining on internet forums.
The time for you to worry about your neighbour, or **** that happens in other provinces or anything else that doesn't affect you enough that you should worry about it, has come and past for South Africa. It is every man for himself now. Government won't help and things won't improve. Just because the country is going down, does not mean you have to let it take you down with it. Many people are still successfull in SA and that stands as solid proof that you have a chance to make it for yourself if you are pro-active, positive, practical, and charge the day with a go-getter attitude, instead of complaining on internet forums.
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IanC
Expert Member
Having lived in the UK for many years, the only "mob violence" I ever heard about was chucking out time on Friday/Saturday nights. Most of them were too p1$$ed to present any real problem to the coppers, there IS the odd exception though.
Oh, you're a Daily Mail reader I see.
Wow, and you accuse me of generalised statements, the reason I say this is because a lot of people work "informally" which means (1) no union, (2) no contractual protection e.g. a neighbour of mine employs a domestic worker, he makes sure that her hours stay well within the area where there is no UIF, etc. Basically he could get rid of her on a whim. How many more are there like my neighbours domestic worker??
Last time I bothered to check, the answer was ... yes
Agreed, but that still doesn't mean I would know its ins and outs, after all I am one of the "previously advantaged".
Good luck with this, but at this juncture I am beginning to agree with Ernesto 'Che' Guevara on certain points.
IanC
Expert Member
Point taken.
You need to take cognisance of the fact, however, that a mob has its own mentality and that once violence has started, it's not very likely that it will end without yet more violence.
I sympathize with kingmontys point that violence shouldn't be an answer, but lets take a look at SA's record on public transport:
- Korean monorail project : KO'd because the taxi industry wasn't consulted.
- Gautrain: This will REALLY benefit most South Africans ... hell we all wanna get to the airport, don't we???
- Taxi Re-capitalization Project: Does anyone know where this stands????
- Metro-rail : This lot are an extremely bad joke.
- Buses : Let's not even go there ... I still remember the case of a bus accident where all the replacement buses were sent back because they were unroadworthy.
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@ Luf
Does Putco buses have to obey the traffic laws? This morning bus number 5274-T (something like that) cut in front of the cue. They are seriously pissing off people. The cue is not that slow, so there is now real need to cut in front. This happens at the John Vorster and Oak Ave crossing.
Does Putco buses have to obey the traffic laws? This morning bus number 5274-T (something like that) cut in front of the cue. They are seriously pissing off people. The cue is not that slow, so there is now real need to cut in front. This happens at the John Vorster and Oak Ave crossing.