2007/2008 WI tour to SA thread

Soulsnatcher said:
I know, and i had so high hopes when seeing the indians bowling so well on the first day... Once Tendulkar and Ganguly went it was over....

The best we can do from here on in is a draw... What is the stats on test played @ St. Georges.... I can remember a couple from the ozzies where we got seriously klapped... Why do CSA insist we play on that track??? Doesn't suit our attack and batting techniques at aLL
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It's the only real track that is different to the other tracks in SA. It's also the closest track to anything the sub-continent has to offer. If we can only play on fast pitches, then we might as well not play cricket.
 
How has Prince performed as opposed to Gibbs in the last year or two? Would be interesting stats to see. McKenzie is more an opener so it would make sense to replace Gibbs with him and if we are intent on replacing Prince then look for an allrounder to fill that role?
 
milomak said:
How has Prince performed as opposed to Gibbs in the last year or two? Would be interesting stats to see. McKenzie is more an opener so it would make sense to replace Gibbs with him and if we are intent on replacing Prince then look for an allrounder to fill that role?
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Yeah, I was quite surprised to read that stat about Gibbs' last century, which was almost in the last century now.

The thing is, when you at 140/6 against WI, all of your batsmen need to be taking their jobs a little more seriously. Except for Kallis and Amla, the recent form of all of our batsmen has been nothing to write home about.

I mentioned allrounders just becuase it feels like when we've been in this kind of position before we've had Pollock, Klusener, Macmillan, or half a dozen allrounders who've been able to look after things at the tail end of our batting line up. I don't think that Harris, Nel, Steyn or Ntini are really up for that job.
 
yeah the batsmen form has been nothing short of shocking for a long while. you are quite right that amlan and kallis papered over the cracks by providing good platforms against which our bowlers were able to work.

I would say however our batting line-up has been suspect for much longer than just recent form. Which says something about the caoching setup.
 
milomak said:
I would say however our batting line-up has been suspect for much longer than just recent form. Which says something about the caoching setup.
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I think it says more about the selection setup.
 
I will continue blaming MMA (Mickey Mouse Arthur), SA cricket has never had so many options yet it's not happening.

For me it's the inability of the coach to instill confidence and faith in the senior and/or out of form players. He has been unable to motivate them or coach them out of their repsective slumps. He's a clown, sorry but he is...

As for the starting line up I don't think there is anything wrong with the personnel. Gibbs has huge experience and on his day he is devastating in addition to being a magnificient fielder. Smithie should never have been made captain, it's impacting on his game but he to is massively talented. Who's dumb ass decision was it though to field 1st after winning the toss?!!!

As for Ashwell, yeah, Boeta and Mckenzie are better bets but there's a bit of window dressing going on there.

I would have liked to see Zondeki start instead of Harris. Zondeki has been in scintillating form lately and he should have been included. He took 8wickets for SA "A" in a 4 day game where the Windies were rolled and then some!!!

But the depth in SA cricket is there, there the Morkel brothers too so lots of options.

Once again I stress Ray Jennings should have been retained as coach. That for me was the **** up the decade, well at least until SARU let Jake go!!!!! Dumb asses!!!
 
Soulsnatcher said:
I know, and i had so high hopes when seeing the indians bowling so well on the first day... Once Tendulkar and Ganguly went it was over....

The best we can do from here on in is a draw... What is the stats on test played @ St. Georges.... I can remember a couple from the ozzies where we got seriously klapped... Why do CSA insist we play on that track??? Doesn't suit our attack and batting techniques at aLL
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What happened to home ground advantage? And secondly, good teams perform decently on any pitch. Thirdly I've
also noticed the screw up with our selection - the lack of all rounders which used to be an advantage.
 
I will continue blaming MMA (Mickey Mouse Arthur), SA cricket has never had so many options yet it's not happening.

For me it's the inability of the coach to instill confidence and faith in the senior and/or out of form players. He has been unable to motivate them or coach them out of their respective slumps. He's a clown, sorry but he is...

As for the starting line up I don't think there is anything wrong with the personnel. Gibbs has huge experience and on his day he is devastating in addition to being a magnificent fielder. Smithy should never have been made captain, it's impacting on his game but he to is massively talented. Who's dumb ass decision was it though to field 1st after winning the toss?!!!

As for Ashwell, yeah, Boeta and McKenzie are better bets but there's a bit of window dressing going on there.

I would have liked to see Zondeki start instead of Harris. Zondeki has been in scintillating form lately and he should have been included. He took 8wickets for SA "A" in a 4 day game where the Windies were rolled and then some!!!

But the depth in SA cricket is there, there the Morkel brothers too so lots of options.

Once again I stress Ray Jennings should have been retained as coach. That for me was the **** up of the decade, well at least until SARU let Jake go!!!!! Dumb asses!!!
 
Pollock should be in for Prince. I just don't see Prince adding any value to the team in his current form. Being a fast runner alone doesn't warrant a place. How on earth do you leave out one of the world's best all rounders and our leading wicket taker?

The selectors need to learn how to rotate our players. Just because we win a few games doesn't mean that you stick to the same team, you improve it by swapping out the players who didn't perform and contribute adequately to the win. Those players then need to make their way back into the team by performing exceptionally at first class level.
 
mercurial said:
windies have a 213 run lead if i saw correctly.
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Yeah, plus 32/0 in their second innings = 245 run lead. :sick:

HF_GP: I agree completely with what you say about Prince. Perhaps though, the selectors were trying to rotate the squad by leaving out Pollock? (I'm not defending them, just trying to understand them).

But if it was my team Pollock would be in, Prince wouldn't.

EDIT: Gayle's out - caught behind off Ntini for 29.
 
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ya i agree. plus pollock is a good batsman as well. what could prince do better than pollock with the bat? it's basically a good batsman and bowler substitution for just a batsman and i can't see why they're not doing it already. maybe there's some politics going on there cos i can't see the logic for leaving out pollock.
 
someone with access to statsguru please provide the stats for prince and gibbs over the last two years. If you really have the time, all the batsmen playing today.
 
Ashwell Prince batting record last 2 years

Ashwell Prince

Career averages

Code: 
[B]Span[/B]      [B]Mat[/B] [B]Inns[/B] [B]NO[/B] [B]Runs[/B] [B]HS[/B]      [B]Ave[/B]    [B]BF[/B]    [B]SR[/B]    [B]100[/B] [B]50[/B] [B]0[/B]  [B]4's[/B]   [B]6's[/B]  
2002-2007 34  55   6  2014 139*  41.10  4842   41.59   6   6  3   214   3 
2006-2007 20  36   5  1423 138   45.90  3379    42.11   4   6  1   152   0


Match by match list


119  and 18  vs. Australia Sydney 2 Jan 2006
17   and 27  vs. Australia Cape Town 16 Mar 2006
33   and 7   vs. Australia Durban 24 Mar 2006 Test
93   and 9   vs. Australia Johannesburg 31 Mar 2006
9    and 11  vs. New Zealand Centurion 15 Apr 2006
108* and --      vs. New Zealand Cape Town 27 Apr 2006
4    and 43* vs. New Zealand Johannesburg 5 May 2006
1    and 61  vs. Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 27 Jul 2006
86   and 17  vs. Sri Lanka Colombo (PSS) 4 Aug 2006
24   and 97  vs. India Johannesburg 15 Dec 2006
121  and 0   vs. India Durban 26 Dec 2006
26   and 38* vs. India Cape Town 2 Jan 2007
138  and --      vs. Pakistan Centurion 11 Jan 2007
2    and 22  vs. Pakistan Port Elizabeth 19 Jan 2007
19   and 59* vs. Pakistan Cape Town 26 Jan 2007
36   and 45  vs. Pakistan Karachi 1 Oct 2007
63   and 11  vs. Pakistan Lahore 8 Oct 2007
1    and 25  vs. New Zealand Johannesburg 8 Nov 2007
13   and 13  vs. New Zealand Centurion 16 Nov 2007
20   and --  vs. West Indies Port Elizabeth 26 Dec 2007

so basically, 4 x 100's and 5 x 50's if i see correctly, in the last 2 years for Prince.
 
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