2007/2008 WI tour to SA thread

So perhaps we being a bit harsh on Prince then cause there's nothing wrong with those figures??!!
 
Gibbs batting record last two years

Code: 
[B]Span[/B]        [B]Mat[/B]  [B]Runs[/B]   [B]HS[/B]    [B]Avg[/B]    [B]100[/B] 
1996-2007   89   6140   228  42.34   14 
2006-2007   17    756    94  25.20    0

Match by match list

Bat1 Bat2  Runs  Opposition Ground Start Date  

27      67   94      Australia Sydney 2 Jan 2006 Test # 1780 
18       0   18      Australia Cape Town 16 Mar 2006 Test # 1789 
9       17   26      Australia Durban 24 Mar 2006 Test # 1792 
16      53   69     Australia Johannesburg 31 Mar 2006 Test # 1795 
6        2    8       New Zealand Centurion 15 Apr 2006 Test # 1798 
19      18   37     Sri Lanka Colombo (SSC) 27 Jul 2006 Test # 1810 
0       92   92      Sri Lanka Colombo (PSS) 4 Aug 2006 Test # 1812 
0       0     0       India Johannesburg 15 Dec 2006 Test # 1823 
63      9     72     India Durban 26 Dec 2006 Test # 1825 
70*     7     77    India Cape Town 2 Jan 2007 Test # 1827 
94    DNB     94   Pakistan Centurion 11 Jan 2007 Test # 1828 
2     40      42    Pakistan Port Elizabeth 19 Jan 2007 Test # 1829 
54     18    72     Pakistan Karachi 1 Oct 2007 Test # 1843 
13     16    29     Pakistan Lahore 8 Oct 2007 Test # 1844 
63     8     71     New Zealand Johannesburg 8 Nov 2007 Test # 1846 
25      -    25     New Zealand Centurion 16 Nov 2007 Test # 1848 
0       -     0      West Indies Port Elizabeth 26 Dec 2007 Test # 1856

0 x 100's and 8 x 50's for Gibbs in the last 2 years. Clearly Prince has performed better than Gibbs.
 
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i am guessing that Prince's record is higher looking at those two lists briefly. Also another failing of Gibbs (and Smith) is that as top order batsmen it is their speciality that they can deal with the new ball. thus when they both go cheaply they expose the middle order much quicker to the new ball.

Thus my preference for someone like Boeta or Mckenzie to come in at the top of the order. Which is what they are used to in any event isn't it?
 
sandmanm34 said:
So perhaps we being a bit harsh on Prince then cause there's nothing wrong with those figures??!!
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Prince in the last 6 months:
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Mat  	Runs  	HS  	Bat Av  100  	Wkts  	BBI  	Bowl Av  5  	Ct  	St
5  	214  	63  	30.57  	0  	-  	-  	-  	-  	4  	0
Also stats don't tell the whole story, it's the way he plays. When we're in control of the match, he keeps his wicket (which is fine). But when we need quick runs he doesn't score quickly enough. And when we need somebody to keep their wicket, he gets out. So what's the point of having him in the team if he can't play according to the situation? Ultimately that's the factor that decides the fate of a match, not averages.

Gibbs we all know has that factor. He can single handedly take the match away.
 
mccrack said:
Not for 3 years in Tests he doesn't :)
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Agreed, his average recently is dismal but consider how many runs he saves in the field. The run out he effected today was sublime! I would persevere with Gibbs, I must be honest, at least till the end of this Windies tour but yes he needs to score some big runs and soon... Perhaps he is going to do it in the 2nd innings in this test!!!
 
Highflyer_GP said:
Prince in the last 6 months:
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Mat  	Runs  	HS  	Bat Av  100  	Wkts  	BBI  	Bowl Av  5  	Ct  	St
5  	214  	63  	30.57  	0  	-  	-  	-  	-  	4  	0
Also stats don't tell the whole story, it's the way he plays. When we're in control of the match, he keeps his wicket (which is fine). But when we need quick runs he doesn't score quickly enough. And when we need somebody to keep their wicket, he gets out. So what's the point of having him in the team if he can't play according to the situation? Ultimately that's the factor that decides the fate of a match, not averages.
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Yeah I got to agree with you on that but I don't think he's in the test team to score quick runs regardless of the situation. He's not that tyoe of player. He very much needs to build his innings and I do think in test cricket a players average speaks volumes of his ability. 30.57 is particularly good but to be honest only Kallis and Amla have been dominant in the last couple of months...
 
Saule said:
Gibbs gets another duck :(

One year and one week after his previous double duck.
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Yeah, game over!!! hell but this has been a very sub par performance from SA!!! Mickey must catch a fcuking wake up or start packing his bags!!! Cannot believe that he is still in charge!!
 
Highflyer_GP said:
Prince in the last 6 months:
Code: 
Mat  	Runs  	HS  	Bat Av  100  	Wkts  	BBI  	Bowl Av  5  	Ct  	St
5  	214  	63  	30.57  	0  	-  	-  	-  	-  	4  	0
Also stats don't tell the whole story, it's the way he plays. When we're in control of the match, he keeps his wicket (which is fine). But when we need quick runs he doesn't score quickly enough. And when we need somebody to keep their wicket, he gets out. So what's the point of having him in the team if he can't play according to the situation? Ultimately that's the factor that decides the fate of a match, not averages.

Gibbs we all know has that factor. He can single handedly take the match away.
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Can you perhaps furnish us with the same stats for Gibbs. The fact of the matter is that Gibbs might have this ability to come good. But he consistently doesn't. You say Prince does what is expected of him. Gibbs doesn't even do that.
 
The 60/4 syndrome has come back but this time there is no Symcox, Richardson, Pollock down the order to save us.
 
We don't deserve to even draw this game. :(

It sucks we have to be the ones that the West Indies manage to beat after a 20 test drought.
 
If Gibbs is retained for the next test then we know the 'clique' exists. Get AB to the top of the order and bring McKenzie to no. 3. Even Biff is not looking good at all.
 
milomak said:
Can you perhaps furnish us with the same stats for Gibbs. The fact of the matter is that Gibbs might have this ability to come good. But he consistently doesn't. You say Prince does what is expected of him. Gibbs doesn't even do that.
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You're right I shouldn't be making excuses for Gibbs, he doesn't deserve a place either. Mckenzie or Diepenaar should be included for the next match.

But our issues aside, it's good to see the Windies starting to perform well. Just a pity that it's against us.
 
Bit of an umpiring shocker to dismiss Kallis ....

Surely the rules should be amended for the 3rd umpire to intervene in such circumstances ..... the technology exists ... use it.
 
milomak said:
Can you perhaps furnish us with the same stats for Gibbs. The fact of the matter is that Gibbs might have this ability to come good. But he consistently doesn't. You say Prince does what is expected of him. Gibbs doesn't even do that.
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Gibbs is averaging only 26 over the last 30 innings.

Amla is averaging 49.25 over the last 5 matches but if you take away his two hundreds it's only 14.38.

Smith is averaging 39.44 over the last 5 matches but if you take away his only decent score then it's only 24.

AB is averaging 35.33 over the last 5 matches.

Kallis is averaging 120.85 over the last 5 matches.

While AB's is too low, at least he is consistant. Kallis is single handedly carrying the side. You can't have so many players in the side who are scoring one big score in 10 innings. They need to spatter some 50's in there as well. Gibbs, Amla, Prince and Smith should be dropped. Niel Mac, Puttick and Dippennar are all on top of their game at the moment. It's even worse in that we now have 4 bowlers in the side who average under 10.

To put all of these in perspective, Pollock who was dropped was averaging 38.00 with the bat over the last 5 matches and at the same time had 21 wickets at an average of 18.8.

I have no time for SA cricket any more. Smith runs the side and Micky Mouse is just an appleaser.

Also, in this series to date there are only two SA batsmen averaging over 20 (AB and Kallis). Not good enough.
 
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