2007 Cricket World Cup (West Indies) thread

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Same thing happened int he 438 game. Dippenaar went out in the first few overs which turned out to be a nice disguise. Though I must say it's woken up our players by losing the game. Kallis must start thinking abt the team now instead of playing for his average. The nob.
 
I still feel as though OZ won't win the Tourn. (although i wont complain if they do.... lol)

Law of averages tells me so.

So who will win...... well, with some strange pitches their in the windies - i have no idea......

Anyway i look forward to the next game against those cowboy's - the west indies.

I think other teams will def. target SA's bowling... this is the weak link in SA's armoury
 
But why were they put under that pressure? If SA were 20/3 then it would have been the right move to send in Kallis, but SA were 220/1 with a power play to go. When was the last time Kallis hit over the top at the beginning of his innings?
SA were not just chasing 280 - they were chasing a formidable total that required boundaries in every over or at the very least 2's and 3's instead of singles. Kallis came in and promptly played a Test match. Kallis does not deserve his spot in the team. His bowling is crap (by now he should be able to bowl a mixed bag and put it on the spot).
You need a Kallis in the side for those times when stability is required.
In the modern one day game, stability is much less a requirement than big, clean and quick hitting. Australia have 6 players who can all come out and smash the ball around the park from the word go. And the scary thing is they don't just do it in ODI's and Pro20's - they do this sort of thing in the Tests as well.
If Kallis had tried to play over the top stuff, he would probably have gone out.
Then so be it - he wasted over after over with the number of dot balls he faced. At least if he takes a chance, there's a good chance it'd pay off for him. And if it doesn't, then at least the team still has momentum. Kallis destroyed the momentum - and this was not the first time either.
That may not have been a problem if someone else had stepped up and got a big innings but he should not have been in there in the first place.
Both Smith and De Villiers did their job superbly. They put down a magnificent platform for the boys to build on - in fact, they put South Africa ahead by more than 20 runs for the same stage. There was no pressure when Kallis came in - all he had to do was rotate the strike. But he couldn't even do that - no, he ended up taking a full power play to get going and even once he got going he didn't even take singles that were on offer. Kallis does not possess the brain to be a match winner. He's a plank that boy.
The problem is, first and foremost, there is no flexibility in the side.
I don't think Mickey Arthur has a lot of imagination, and a lot of what;s wrong with the team is squarely at fault with the coach. The fact that Makhaya still has no slower ball, and still cannot bowl around the wicket is insane. And what's the point of having utility bowlers like Kemp in the side if they're not going to be utilised? As for Polly - at least he wears his heart on his sleeve and never stops trying - the same can certainly not be said for Jacques Kallis. I am amazed at how the media still make Kallis to be such an awesome cricketer. He's not. The aussies won the game because they're risk takers - and it paid off. South Africa lost that risky fighting spirit years ago - and as long as players like Kallis remain in the side and continue to play for themselves instead of throwing it all in for the team, SA will forever be shown up by Australia.
Hell, Polly has 3 expensive overs so take him off. Cricket is not about going through a step by step plan.
I disagree - Australia has a plan and the scary thing is everyone knows what Australia's plan is. Australia have always come out with all guns blazing, and the majority of the time it works. They have a game plan, and it's a step-step process. And it works.
Look what happened against India in the C/Town test. Brains trust decided "lets do something different and send in Polly while the ball is hard" and we ended up winning the game. That is what is needed if you want to win games. Look at the situation and adapt.
Exactly - and grow a damned backbone. If your ass is being handed to you, change your tactics.
What happened is that Kallis went in and started building his innings. The pressure that put on the other batsmen to get quick runs got them out. Let me give you an alternate:

1) Put in Polly then Gibbs (if required) for the last power play. Polly gets a quick 40 off 20 balls and the game is almost won. Gibbs comes in and plays a nice sensible 60 off 50 balls........
2) Put in Polly then Gibbs for the last power play. Both go out quickly/cheaply so now you need to rebuild. In goes Kallis and Boucher and start a proper rebuild. Because both players are playing for a big innings, they both end up getting 70-80 off 65 balls. Both would have been careful together and we would have had a fair chance at still winning at the end with wickets in hand.

A coach is there to look at the game situation and adapt not just blindly go where no coach is dumb enough to go. Kallis has a role in the side, just not the role they expected him to play. You don't open the bowling with AB and then say it's all his fault when he gets hit for 25 in the first over.
The bottom line is there's no place for Kallis in the top order. Even when he scores a hundred against lesser sides he still takes less than a run a ball to do it. Kallis is dog slow and not even a great fielder. So he doesn't even make up for his lack of tempo by saving countless runs in the field.
 
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Can you believe that Kallis has the most 6s ever by a South African? I wouldve never guessed that on saturday.

The fool cost us the game, but never mind his forgiven. He should just wake up and speed up for the rest or become to old and just retire.
 
Can you believe that Kallis has the most 6s ever by a South African? I wouldve never guessed that on saturday.

I think most of SA is complaining about him today, but the sad thing is I don't think he is bright enough to notice or do anything about it.
 
Ponting did mix up his bowlers very well he would of took notice of when SA where bowling and realized that it wont be the usual regmented bowling order with regmented line and length.

He needed to mix it up a bit, and he did just that.
 
And we certainly did no mixing up of anything. The sad thing is, that despite all that, and Kallis, at 210/1 we should have won it...
 
The problem is that Kallis is completely unable to change his game at all. This is a major handicap.
That is a massive problem. He is not able to adapt. It's then up to the coach to either drop him, work on the problem or work around it. It seems like they have done none of the three.
 
Pollock or Boucher would've been a good option to be sent ahead of Kallis. They didn't need to hit boundaries in the first few overs but they would know what kind of urgency is required to keep the run rate in check. Kallis should be there when we lost early wickets and need consolidation. We never seem to find balance. Our top order does bad then our middle order cleans up the mess. Our top order does well but then the middle order collapses. If both units work together and perform then we are in for a good chance.

We have to face Jayasuriya next...hmm...
 
Kallis destroyed the momentum - and this was not the first time either.
Agreed, but my point is, "what the hell was he doing out there when they still needed 7.5 an over for 29 overs". He came in when SA were 160/1 after 20.5 overs. The moment I saw him out there I though it was a lost cause. It would be the same as Aus sending in Bevan when you need 6/7 an over. Everyone knows that Bevan could not bat at better then 5 an over against good opposition.

Kallis is not blameless but is far less to blame then the idiot who sent him out there in the first place.
 
Agreed, but my point is, "what the hell was he doing out there when they still needed 7.5 an over for 29 overs". He came in when SA were 160/1 after 20.5 overs. The moment I saw him out there I though it was a lost cause. It would be the same as Aus sending in Bevan when you need 6/7 an over. Everyone knows that Bevan could not bat at better then 5 an over against good opposition.

Kallis is not blameless but is far less to blame then the idiot who sent him out there in the first place.
I see your point.

For me, the inability to adapt detracts greatly from Kallis' ability and calling him a truly great batsman.

When you look at real greats like Lara, Tendulkar and let's say Gary Kirsten in the SA context, they are all from the oldschool, where 6 an over was really good and much more than that was almost unheard of.

In this vein, you cannot imagine them blazing sixes left right and centre, but what you can imagine, is them rotating the strike to allow the other batters to get the sixes and fours. They would realise the need for a change in strategy and adjust their game accordingly.

Kallis comes in and bats a test-match innings. No matter what.
 
Pity ol' Herschelle Gibbs was stumped - when he hit his first six, I thought, AH! - this will be over soon. :sick:
 
I can't see us beating Sri Lanka. We basically have to win 4 games out of 6 to go through to the Semis. Ireland and Bangladesh "should" be easy enough. That means we still have to beat 2 of Sri Lanka (Tough), New Zealand (Tough), West Indies (Depends on the day you face them), England (Moderate).
 
I can see us beating England. They are not looking great right now. Ireland and Bangledesh for sure.

Windies and NZ will be the toughest games IMO.
 
For me, the inability to adapt detracts greatly from Kallis' ability and calling him a truly great batsman.
It's the inability to adapt that cost Bradman his 100 average. He could not face the short stuff but he was still a great batsman. In the modern game, it's much more of a problem that Kallis is not able to adapt and that is what prevents him from being in the Pointing, Lara, Tendulks realm.

I still think he has a place in the one day side but as someone said earlier, you can only have one of these types of guys, not two (Prince and Kallis). What they really need is two different teams. One for tests and the other for 20/20 and one days with different coaches. There could be players that play in both sides but they should be the exception and not the norm. Have a look at AB, either he plays well in the tests or the one days. It's a massive ask to have him play one game today and a totally different game next week. Bowlers can make mistakes and still come right after a couple of overs but a rash shot from a batsman and it's tickets.
 
I can see us beating England. They are not looking great right now. Ireland and Bangledesh for sure.

Windies and NZ will be the toughest games IMO.

We'll make it - we'll 'smoke them out', like ol' George W Bush once said... :)

*Me is thinking that Graeme Smith is becoming a really dangerous batsman with a lot of guts & a big heart?
 
It's the inability to adapt that cost Bradman his 100 average. He could not face the short stuff but he was still a great batsman. In the modern game, it's much more of a problem that Kallis is not able to adapt and that is what prevents him from being in the Pointing, Lara, Tendulks realm.

I still think he has a place in the one day side but as someone said earlier, you can only have one of these types of guys, not two (Prince and Kallis). What they really need is two different teams. One for tests and the other for 20/20 and one days with different coaches. There could be players that play in both sides but they should be the exception and not the norm. Have a look at AB, either he plays well in the tests or the one days. It's a massive ask to have him play one game today and a totally different game next week. Bowlers can make mistakes and still come right after a couple of overs but a rash shot from a batsman and it's tickets.

Agreement.
 
We'll make it - we'll 'smoke them out', like ol' George W Bush once said... :)
What an odd quote to use - especially as the 'smoke them out' tactic failed ol' George W....
*Me is thinking that Graeme Smith is becoming a really dangerous batsman with a lot of guts & a big heart?
Saturday showed me that there is a split in the national team - those that work with Smith and those that couldn't care. Smith puts his all in every single time, whether he is going through a good or bad time. The poor lad went through hell where every second SA supporter was calling for his sacking. I think Smith's fighting spirit is what is missing from some of the players - especially Captain Slow..
 
It's the inability to adapt that cost Bradman his 100 average. He could not face the short stuff but he was still a great batsman. In the modern game, it's much more of a problem that Kallis is not able to adapt and that is what prevents him from being in the Pointing, Lara, Tendulks realm.

I still think he has a place in the one day side but as someone said earlier, you can only have one of these types of guys, not two (Prince and Kallis). What they really need is two different teams. One for tests and the other for 20/20 and one days with different coaches. There could be players that play in both sides but they should be the exception and not the norm. Have a look at AB, either he plays well in the tests or the one days. It's a massive ask to have him play one game today and a totally different game next week. Bowlers can make mistakes and still come right after a couple of overs but a rash shot from a batsman and it's tickets.
I agree, but at this point I would opt for Prince ahead of Kallis. Prince would never turn down a single, and once he's in, he would rotate the strike continuously, feeding the other batsman the strike. Kallis is too thick to do that - he actually declined a few singles on saturday :eek:
 
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