2015 UK Election Thread

JayM said:
They have stated another referendum is not part of their manifesto unless something major happens (UK leaving EU for example).
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Politicians say one thing before the election , then often do/demand something quite different afterwards..... A number of SNP supporters are thinking that if the SNP won all the seats north of the wall, that this would be a catalyst to demanding another Indy ref....
 
Mortymoose said:
Politicians say one thing before the election , then often do/demand something quite different afterwards..... A number of SNP supporters are thinking that if the SNP won all the seats north of the wall, that this would be a catalyst to demanding another Indy ref....
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They're welcome to think that, but there isn't going to be another referendum any time soon. A lot of people who voted against independence still vote for the SNP because they think it results in a better deal for Scotland (which it probably does). While the leaders of the SNP want independence, the electorate does not.
 
JayM said:
They're welcome to think that, but there isn't going to be another referendum any time soon. A lot of people who voted against independence still vote for the SNP because they think it results in a better deal for Scotland (which it probably does). While the leaders of the SNP want independence, the electorate does not.
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If the SNP had fielded candidates south of the border, they would probably do better than the Greens and maybe even the Lib Dems :)

Well, im off to vote now :)
 
Space_Chief said:
No. They're for the working classes who are the people worried about competition from immigrants.
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No. They SAY they're for the working class, as does every other party.
They're not doing what they're doing for the working class.

Space_Chief said:
They're nationalistic, "UK"'s independence from EU and so on.
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I'm a nationalist, I don't want "independence" from something that is beneficial. Pan nationalism is better.

Space_Chief said:
A mild NSDAP. As opposed to more international socialist movements which were also pro-labour before issues such as racism came along.
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UKIP aren't pro-labour at all. They are pro free market. They promoted privatization of everything until it bit them in the arse and now they are pretending to love the NHS because apparently that's important to voters, and they need votes.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ore-acceptable-to-the-electorate-9993050.html


Space_Chief said:
Nationalism is not about nationalising stuff little boy.
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Sure it is. Selling your country to international corporations and foreign countries is a drive to internationalism. You don't like nationalism, you just like patriotism, which is simply empty rhetoric.

Space_Chief said:
Here is what one voter said: "Main reasons are ...... EU, Immigration, Child Abuse, Pensions, NHS, Armed Forces, Education, Jobs, Foreign Aid, Corruption and Tory/Labour lies."
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Well done to him/her for wasting their vote and giving the win to labour and the SNP. He/she can expect those problems to grow even more now under their watch. Basically, the working class is full of idiots, which is hardly a revelation. UKIP is the enemy of the working class, more so than most other parties except perhaps the Greens who would turn to ash anything that they are allowed to touch. That UKIP manage to convince idiots that they are on the same side is not the same thing as them actually being on the same side.

Space_Chief said:
If you're working class you depend on the NHS, you're competing against immigrants, you're on a state pension, you depend on state education and so on.
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Right, so I wouldn't even vote UKIP if I wanted out of the EU, because they are hostile to "the state", in a way that nationalists never are. The only thing that I believe they are being sincere about that I agree with is that defense spending should be protected, and even increased.
 
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The problem with fptp system is if you live in the wrong constituency your vote doesn't really count. In SA, your vote will count wherever you are
 
Polling stations will close at 10pm. There will be exit polls at that time which in a lot of cases provide a good indication of where the vote is headed....but in practice are not the result.

First actual result will be emerge at 11pm, and results will trickle out overnight until about 1pm tomorrow

Complete information here: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11475225/results-time-and-facts.html
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Well, what he wants to do is quite moronic, but wow at the Telegraph's take on it. Pathetic.
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The Guardian is my rag of choice....makes me feel warm all over....but tends to be a little too idealistic, so I prefer the Independent....who endorsed the Tories this time actually.

The Sun and Daily Mail are just trash, and the Telegraph is close to that.
 
imranpanji said:
The Guardian is my rag of choice....makes me feel warm all over....but tends to be a little too idealistic, so I prefer the Independent....who endorsed the Tories this time actually.

The Sun and Daily Mail are just trash, and the Telegraph is close to that.
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Agreed. I was looking at The Guardian today and couldn't find an article that trash talks the opponents. Even had an op ed criticising Labour, while the paper endorses them.
 
This article sums it up well

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015...-lost-its-mind-over-the-general-election.html

HOW THE BRITISH PRESS LOST ITS MIND OVER THE GENERAL ELECTION

BY TIM TEEMAN

05.06.153:40 PM ET

Yes, British politics looks like fun: all that shouting and cutting wit at Prime Minister’s Question Time on C-Span, the drama of the House of Commons. So quaint, so historic, and those accents!

And yes, you will most surely laugh—they are so richly absurd, what else could one do?—at the headlines in the papers today, the day before a General Election.

It may seem that British politics is a knockabout sport, and these headlines would be laughable were they not the voice of the establishment and the wealthy seeking to denigrate, distort the words, and viciously mock the threat to their power—Ed Miliband, the Labour Party leader.

The headlines would be hilarious if the country wasn’t due to elect a hung parliament, with as-yet unknowable parties in likely coalition—and no parties willing to fully contemplate not-outright winning, and so not talking about the coalitions they would form.

The true duty of Britain’s pluralistic press right now should be surely to furnish voters with the information necessary to make an informed choice on whom to vote for in this landscape.

But this is Election Eve Britain: cheap, sharp abuse is easier.

The next time you think the British sound all classy and authoritative with their accents and afternoon tea, remember this.

Miliband has endured this treatment throughout the campaign, but by any measure today’s newspapers mark a new low (or high, depending on your penchant for perversity) for the British press.

If Miliband does win any kind of power, imagine the next day’s front pages. Or maybe not.

The most rabidly Conservative tabloid paper, the Rupert Murdoch-owned*Sun’s, front page, is telling in its own way.

It is a nearly year-old picture of Ed Miliband eating a sandwich.

Yes, America—you read that right.


“SAVE OUR BACON,” The Sun screams. “This is the pig’s ear Ed made of a helpless sarnie. In 48 hours, he could be doing the same to Britain…Don’t swallow his porkies and keep him OUT.”

Yes, America—you read that right.

In other words: “This man looks disgusting eating a sandwich. He will ***** Britain up.”

A momentous political moment. Important debates to be had, questions to be asked, leaders to be interrogated, and the Sun has an old picture of the Labour leader eating a sandwich, seeking to humiliate him.

It harks back to the most notorious of election front pages,*from 1992, in which the paper put the head of then-Labour leader Neil Kinnock in a lightbulb, and told readers, doomily: “If Kinnock Wins Today, Will The Last Person In Britain Please Turn Out The Lights.”

After weeks of campaigning, the only thing the Sun can tell its readers is to not vote for Miliband because of the way he was once photographed eating a sandwich.

The grotesque thing about this is not Miliband’s bacon sandwich-eating technique— which the Sun wishes its readers to be so grossed out over it invalidates his political acumen and abilities—but what it says about the Sun’s utter lack of material.

The most right-wing, scandal-raking tabloid, with all its down and dirty investigative reporting firepower, has got nothing on Miliband, on the eve of the election, apart from how he eats bread.

The Sun is urging its readers to not vote for a prospective prime minister because of the way this person eats a sandwich.

The next time you think the British sound all classy and authoritative with their accents and afternoon tea, remember this.


Meanwhile, over at the Daily Mail, where women who have careers and don’t have children are constantly at risk of cancer or self-combustion, the relentless attacks on Miliband built to a crescendo.

Seeking to link him to the SNP (the Scottish National Party)—a possible Coalition partner for Miliband should he win (he says it will never happen)—in banner letters, the Daily Mail shouts across the front page: “For sanity’s sake, don’t let a class war zealot and the SNP destroy our economy—and our very nation.” It then instructs readers to go to page 30-32 for “How You Can Vote Tactically To Keep Out Red Ed.”

Intriguingly, the actual semblance of a news story on the front page alongside the hysterical diktat-giving is a story about longer and longer waiting times to see your doctor—pointing to a failure of a Coalition health policy.

Oh dear, it seems the Daily Mail just doesn’t know who is to blame for anything. But the key guiding thesis it follows is that somebody is, and they must be insulted and shamed as shrilly as possible.

If Miliband’s Labour Party does win any kind of power on Thursday, you will be able to hear the screaming, cussing, and renting of*Daily Mail*clothing in Nebraska.


The*Daily Express, the most right wing of them all, is supporting—editorially and financially—UKIP, the much-reviled, right-wing anti-immigration party led by the buffoonish Nigel Farage. Its front page was an “exclusive” pitch from Farage himself: “Why You Must Vote For Ukip.”

But look, don’t let this command distract you from the promotion above. You can also acquire a free tea towel in the image of Princess Charlotte, Prince William and Kate’s second baby!

Dammit. What to do first? Vote for Ukip or get the tea towel?

Decisions, decisions.

Their front page was immediately and brilliantly satirized—or should that be deconstructed?—by one Twitter user.

The right-leaning broadsheets are foaming at the mouth too, in their own polite way, desperate to stop Miliband.



The very right-wing Daily Telegraph warns of a “Nightmare on Downing Street,” again summoning up the apocalyptic spirit of a possible balance of power being held by Scotland’s SNP and its charismatic leader Nicola Sturgeon, who has by far been the most impressive public performer of the election campaign.


The center-right Times (full disclosure: where I worked for a number of years and which is, like the*Sun, owned by Rupert Murdoch) opts to denigrate Miliband further, carrying an interview with David Cameron claiming Miliband is trying to “con” his way into Number Ten. This summons up images of Miliband hanging around outside in a David Cameron face-mask, or altering some title deeds.

Geez, if Milliband isn’t mangling a bacon sandwich, he’s trying to trick the electorate into voting for him.

Of course, the Conservatives would never dream of doing the same in their desperate hunt for votes.


The right wing has many more papers and voices than the left, but the Labour-supporting Daily Mirror deployed its own attempt at giving David Cameron a bloody nose, quoting ex Tory Prime Minister John Major’s damning assessment of the Tory-LibDem coalition.

But the key difference was that the Mirror was at least reporting news—albeit cloaked in its own beliefs—not simply offering its opinion, or free-flowing abuse.

And so, the day before an important General Election—where the gap between rich and poor, and the safeguarding of public services, like the National Health Service should be the talking points—we have instead one inglorious mud-fight, with almost all the slinging being done by a terrified Right-wing led media establishment.

Such a lovely, civilized, politically evolved island, aren’t we?
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imranpanji said:
This article sums it up well

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015...-lost-its-mind-over-the-general-election.html
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They can start complaining when muppet Ed is being demonized to the level that Nick Griffin was.
They can complain when Labour has to hold meetings in secret locations, cut off from the public, because when they don't they get physically attacked.
They can complain when their members are being fired from their jobs just for being members.

Oh wait, actually they wouldn't be able to complain even then, because they endorsed and took part in all of those things when it was being done to their opponents.
 
TriGuN said:
They can start complaining when muppet Ed is being demonized to the level that Nick Griffin was.
They can complain when Labour has to hold meetings in secret locations, cut off from the public, because when they don't they get physically attacked.
They can complain when their members are being fired from their jobs just for being members.

Oh wait, actually they wouldn't be able to complain even then, because they endorsed and took part in all of those things when it was being done to their opponents.
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Errr.....heil Nick? The same guy who was thrown out of his own party?

This guy? www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29453341 ?
 
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