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That's where I took the pictures of them. Parking of Hyde Park Corner.
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2018 Volkswagen Arteon
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That's where I took the pictures of them. Parking of Hyde Park Corner.
ahoudet
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Looked familiar
. Saw this one on the road heading towards Bryanston on William Nicol.
TheChamp
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ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
FiestaST
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A GTi in 2018 with 8.8s to 100 and a 1.0L engine were the issues guy. South Africans would not buy that PoS
FiestaST
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Gonna have to disagree there. Pricing was the prohibitive factor. Getting it to land in SA at a "reasonable" price.
This car is not about raw power. It's about fun dynamics with the GTI nameplate.
SA buying public is already on the train with tiny boosted motors so the 1L Turbo is perfectly fine.
If VWSA could have actually brought in SA for say ~R25k more than the top model Up! it would sell well.
Gtx Gaming
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Maybe they just want to push the local VIVO top spec model rather, more profit.
The most expensive Up and Up gti, difference in zar is around 25k, in the UK.
Craig_
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I recall talk of a Passat, a Jetta, an Up-exclamation-mark and a Caddy, hence why I drew my conclusion
I had a Jetta and a Polo before, now I have an up as well as a passat, company car is a caddy. Also had a golf two cars before the jetta.
FiestaST
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New Arteon arrives in SA: A legacy of VW’s fast sedans
VW’s stunning new Arteon is the maturing of a local performance sedan heritage started in the 1980s.
The South African appetite for hot hatches is well known, but there was a time when South Africans were just as keen on affordable four-door performance cars.
Room for a family, with a massive boot and keen performance. VW’s always had a family-friendly performance sedan in its product portfolio locally.
Legacy of sedans
You’d expect nothing less from the brand which established the hot hatch with original GTi and provided South Africans with their first taste of front-wheel drive German four-door performance motoring in the late 1980s.
Tracing the history of VW’s fast four-door cars in South Africa is easy, you simply follow the parallel presence of its period hot hatches. By the time second-generation Golf arrived in the mid-1980s, there was a four-door performance car twin in the form of Jetta CLi.
Although these second-generation Jettas were initially powered by a 1.8-litre 16-valve engine, it’s the later 2-litre which became the most desirable of quick Jumbo Jettas.
Available in both eight- and sixteen-valve configurations the 2-litre CLIs had power outputs which appear laughable in 2018, it’s worth remembering that 85- and 110kW were plenty two and a half decades ago.
The rest is history
Jetta CLi 16-valve will forever be remembered for its unique leather seats (with those characteristic rectangular headrests) and because cars were much lighter in the late 1980s, it made very good use of all 110 of those kilowatts. Weighing only a bit more than 1100kg, Jetta CLi 16-valve was a spirited performer.
It proved to become a cult performance car, capable of embarrassing larger German luxury rivals from BMW and Mercedes, whilst also featuring an extraordinarily deep and voluminous boot for the time at 424-litres.
The third-generation performance Jetta was a very special car and one which is cherished as a collectable VW. In the early 1990s, VR6-engined Golfs and Jettas elevated the performance credentials of VW handsomely, with 128kW of power and narrow-angle V6 acoustics which still rouse enthusiasts even today.
Getting better with age
Although the comparably heavy engine reduced some of the fabled Jetta agility, its power (and fuel-consumption) was unlike any VW previously.
VW’s strategy with the VR6 would pay huge dividends in future. Engineers desperately wanted to develop a narrow-angle V6 engine, one more compact than any other V6, which could be scaled to power larger cars. But they needed to test and amortise the R&D costs in a volume model to ensure a balanced business case.
The solution was to build Golf and Jetta VR6, which would sell the narrow-angle V6 engine in sufficient volumes to subsidise the later development of VW’s renowned W12 engines, which powered Bentleys and Audis.
In reference to South Africa’s market, VR6 remains the zenith of VW’s local Jetta performance cars. The fourth-generation Jetta prioritised turbocharged performance variant. Although the performance of these turbocharged Jettas was credible, then the drama of VW’s V6-powered Jettas was missing.
Goodbye CC, hello Arteon
The transition in VW’s local four-door performance offering came as Jetta defaulted to a high-speed cruiser whilst the traditionally more conservative model, Passat, was rerolled as a performance sedan.
For the last five years, it has been Passat which has taken responsibility for running with VW’s four-door V6-batton. Passat CC launched in 2012 and ushered in an era of sloping roofline style for VW’s four-door performance cars, powered by a fantastically characterful engine, the 220kW 3.6-litre V6.
Featuring all-wheel drive and a DSG transmission the Passat 3.6 V6 4Motion could be classed as the ultimate evolution of what VW had started with Jetta VR6 in the 1990s. Arteon continues the tradition of fast four-door VWs, with some repurposed GolfR drivetrain bits.
The V6 engine configuration is missed, but Arteon remains true to the tradition of VW’s sedan-sized performance values.
https://www.wheels24.co.za/NewModels/new-arteon-arrives-in-sa-a-legacy-of-vws-fast-sedans-20180510
VW’s stunning new Arteon is the maturing of a local performance sedan heritage started in the 1980s.
The South African appetite for hot hatches is well known, but there was a time when South Africans were just as keen on affordable four-door performance cars.
Room for a family, with a massive boot and keen performance. VW’s always had a family-friendly performance sedan in its product portfolio locally.
Legacy of sedans
You’d expect nothing less from the brand which established the hot hatch with original GTi and provided South Africans with their first taste of front-wheel drive German four-door performance motoring in the late 1980s.
Tracing the history of VW’s fast four-door cars in South Africa is easy, you simply follow the parallel presence of its period hot hatches. By the time second-generation Golf arrived in the mid-1980s, there was a four-door performance car twin in the form of Jetta CLi.
Although these second-generation Jettas were initially powered by a 1.8-litre 16-valve engine, it’s the later 2-litre which became the most desirable of quick Jumbo Jettas.
Available in both eight- and sixteen-valve configurations the 2-litre CLIs had power outputs which appear laughable in 2018, it’s worth remembering that 85- and 110kW were plenty two and a half decades ago.
The rest is history
Jetta CLi 16-valve will forever be remembered for its unique leather seats (with those characteristic rectangular headrests) and because cars were much lighter in the late 1980s, it made very good use of all 110 of those kilowatts. Weighing only a bit more than 1100kg, Jetta CLi 16-valve was a spirited performer.
It proved to become a cult performance car, capable of embarrassing larger German luxury rivals from BMW and Mercedes, whilst also featuring an extraordinarily deep and voluminous boot for the time at 424-litres.
The third-generation performance Jetta was a very special car and one which is cherished as a collectable VW. In the early 1990s, VR6-engined Golfs and Jettas elevated the performance credentials of VW handsomely, with 128kW of power and narrow-angle V6 acoustics which still rouse enthusiasts even today.
Getting better with age
Although the comparably heavy engine reduced some of the fabled Jetta agility, its power (and fuel-consumption) was unlike any VW previously.
VW’s strategy with the VR6 would pay huge dividends in future. Engineers desperately wanted to develop a narrow-angle V6 engine, one more compact than any other V6, which could be scaled to power larger cars. But they needed to test and amortise the R&D costs in a volume model to ensure a balanced business case.
The solution was to build Golf and Jetta VR6, which would sell the narrow-angle V6 engine in sufficient volumes to subsidise the later development of VW’s renowned W12 engines, which powered Bentleys and Audis.
In reference to South Africa’s market, VR6 remains the zenith of VW’s local Jetta performance cars. The fourth-generation Jetta prioritised turbocharged performance variant. Although the performance of these turbocharged Jettas was credible, then the drama of VW’s V6-powered Jettas was missing.
Goodbye CC, hello Arteon
The transition in VW’s local four-door performance offering came as Jetta defaulted to a high-speed cruiser whilst the traditionally more conservative model, Passat, was rerolled as a performance sedan.
For the last five years, it has been Passat which has taken responsibility for running with VW’s four-door V6-batton. Passat CC launched in 2012 and ushered in an era of sloping roofline style for VW’s four-door performance cars, powered by a fantastically characterful engine, the 220kW 3.6-litre V6.
Featuring all-wheel drive and a DSG transmission the Passat 3.6 V6 4Motion could be classed as the ultimate evolution of what VW had started with Jetta VR6 in the 1990s. Arteon continues the tradition of fast four-door VWs, with some repurposed GolfR drivetrain bits.
The V6 engine configuration is missed, but Arteon remains true to the tradition of VW’s sedan-sized performance values.
https://www.wheels24.co.za/NewModels/new-arteon-arrives-in-sa-a-legacy-of-vws-fast-sedans-20180510
FiestaST
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SA launch drive: VW's sophisticated, sexy Arteon
We don’t often advise readers to ignore the badge on the bonnet when they climb into a new model, but in this case I think it’s justified, because Volkswagen’s new Arteon comes as a surprise on a number of levels.
It’s the first seriously sexy Volkswagen since the Scirocco, but on a whole new level, with gravitas and presence that you wouldn’t expect from the company that brought you the Lupo and the Up.
It’s bigger than it looks in the pictures, close to five metres long and two metres wide, but less than one and a half metres high, and the two strakes that run across the grille and morph into the daytime running lights emphasise its sporty stance.
The outer edges of the clamshell bonnet (a single huge pressing that VW engineers admit was something of a challenge to production-engineer) becomes a razor-sharp character line, almost but not quite perfectly straight, all the way down down the side of the car till it meets the upper edge of the tail-light cluster, underlining the dramatic sweep of the roof.
It’s at the same time more luxurious and less showy inside than you’d expect, finished in top-stitched leather with smooth faux fibre and gloss black trim rather than wood veneer, boasting multi-memory power adjustable seats, three-zone climate control, a full suite of driver aids and a superb digital instrument panel.
It’s a lot more sporty than it looks; the 130kW turbodiesel has enough mid-range grunt to make it an entertaining drive and the 206kW all-wheel drive, two-litre TSI (straight out of the Golf R, says VW) is content to waft you around town as if to the manor born - and then rev like a race car when the time comes to put some GTI Joe in his place, hitting 100km/h off the line in a claimed 5.6 seconds, a claim I see no reason to doubt.
But the biggest surprise came when VW let us loose on the tight and twisty 2.5km Zwartkop Raceway in its new family sedan. The car’s progressive power steering takes just two turns lock to lock, compared to the 2.4 of most of its competitors. It steers like an Alfa (which is a huge compliment to the Arteon) and what VW calls its gran turismo car can be placed exactly where you want it on the circuit, to the centimetre.
And in the automotive war zone that is downtown Joburg at mid-morning, that precision translates to a car that threads its way through the traffic with confidence-inspiring ease, and plenty of torque in reserve for overtaking manoeuvres.
Volkswagen’s stated purpose in creating the Arteon was to retain the customers who, when the time comes to turn in their Golf GTI for a family car, tend to migrate to premium German brands. But that puts the Arteon in the invidious position of competing against VW’s own premium brand - Audi - while battling for a share of a dwindling market as family car buyers the world over ditch sedans in favour of SUV’s.
Which is why we say, forget the badge; judge this engaging and unexpectedly well-appointed family GT on its merits. It might just surprise you.
PRICES (including VAT and emissions tax)
2.0 TDI 130kW Elegance DSG R599 900
2.0 TDI 130kW R-Line DSG R649 900
2.0 TSI 206kW R-Line 4Motion DSG R699 900
These include a three-year or 120 000km warranty and a five-year or 90 000km maintenance plan.
DIESEL RIVALS
Audi A5 Sportback 2.0 TDI 140kW/400Nm R647 000
BMW 420d Gran Coupe 140kW/400Nm R664 200
Jaguar XE 20d Prestige 132kW/400Nm R631 500
PETROL RIVALS
Audi A5 Sportback 2.0 TFSI quattro Sport auto 185kW/370Nm R781 500
BMW 430i Gran Coupe auto 185kW/350Nm R739 139
Lexus IS 350 F-Sport 222kW/378Nm R753 300
https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/late...-drive-vws-sophisticated-sexy-arteon-14875880
We don’t often advise readers to ignore the badge on the bonnet when they climb into a new model, but in this case I think it’s justified, because Volkswagen’s new Arteon comes as a surprise on a number of levels.
It’s the first seriously sexy Volkswagen since the Scirocco, but on a whole new level, with gravitas and presence that you wouldn’t expect from the company that brought you the Lupo and the Up.
It’s bigger than it looks in the pictures, close to five metres long and two metres wide, but less than one and a half metres high, and the two strakes that run across the grille and morph into the daytime running lights emphasise its sporty stance.
The outer edges of the clamshell bonnet (a single huge pressing that VW engineers admit was something of a challenge to production-engineer) becomes a razor-sharp character line, almost but not quite perfectly straight, all the way down down the side of the car till it meets the upper edge of the tail-light cluster, underlining the dramatic sweep of the roof.
It’s at the same time more luxurious and less showy inside than you’d expect, finished in top-stitched leather with smooth faux fibre and gloss black trim rather than wood veneer, boasting multi-memory power adjustable seats, three-zone climate control, a full suite of driver aids and a superb digital instrument panel.
It’s a lot more sporty than it looks; the 130kW turbodiesel has enough mid-range grunt to make it an entertaining drive and the 206kW all-wheel drive, two-litre TSI (straight out of the Golf R, says VW) is content to waft you around town as if to the manor born - and then rev like a race car when the time comes to put some GTI Joe in his place, hitting 100km/h off the line in a claimed 5.6 seconds, a claim I see no reason to doubt.
But the biggest surprise came when VW let us loose on the tight and twisty 2.5km Zwartkop Raceway in its new family sedan. The car’s progressive power steering takes just two turns lock to lock, compared to the 2.4 of most of its competitors. It steers like an Alfa (which is a huge compliment to the Arteon) and what VW calls its gran turismo car can be placed exactly where you want it on the circuit, to the centimetre.
And in the automotive war zone that is downtown Joburg at mid-morning, that precision translates to a car that threads its way through the traffic with confidence-inspiring ease, and plenty of torque in reserve for overtaking manoeuvres.
Volkswagen’s stated purpose in creating the Arteon was to retain the customers who, when the time comes to turn in their Golf GTI for a family car, tend to migrate to premium German brands. But that puts the Arteon in the invidious position of competing against VW’s own premium brand - Audi - while battling for a share of a dwindling market as family car buyers the world over ditch sedans in favour of SUV’s.
Which is why we say, forget the badge; judge this engaging and unexpectedly well-appointed family GT on its merits. It might just surprise you.
PRICES (including VAT and emissions tax)
2.0 TDI 130kW Elegance DSG R599 900
2.0 TDI 130kW R-Line DSG R649 900
2.0 TSI 206kW R-Line 4Motion DSG R699 900
These include a three-year or 120 000km warranty and a five-year or 90 000km maintenance plan.
DIESEL RIVALS
Audi A5 Sportback 2.0 TDI 140kW/400Nm R647 000
BMW 420d Gran Coupe 140kW/400Nm R664 200
Jaguar XE 20d Prestige 132kW/400Nm R631 500
PETROL RIVALS
Audi A5 Sportback 2.0 TFSI quattro Sport auto 185kW/370Nm R781 500
BMW 430i Gran Coupe auto 185kW/350Nm R739 139
Lexus IS 350 F-Sport 222kW/378Nm R753 300
https://www.iol.co.za/motoring/late...-drive-vws-sophisticated-sexy-arteon-14875880
FiestaST
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lol thanks dude
Craig_
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Even though I can't afford it I will try and make a plan to test drive this car over the next few days, hopefully NTT has stock.
FiestaST
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One sexy Volks-wagon!
Messugga
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Note the BMW. There was also (I think) a M3 parked there. Guess they're viewing that as the competition.
