7.1 Gaming Headsets

Haha ok by "exact reproduction" I don't mean reference sound as recorded in studio. Bad use of wording on my part.
I was eluding to the fact that most if not all "audiophiles" on this forum will just say get sennies because they crisp, have the high's mid's and low's and what ever audio buzz words etc etc..

Sennies are a good choice due to international warranty (importing) and support, as such they are the most popular and generate the most reviews. They dominate the higher end headphone world. Who ever is trying to sell them and their improved experience is most probably totally correct. Sennheiser is an audio company after all targeting a mature audience, not a gaming peripheral manufacturer making a multitude of products for a less discerning market.

What's often more important than sound tones is the sound stage. This will probably be the most improved area when it comes to gaming - superior directional/positional accuracy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_stage#.22Soundstage.22_of_an_acoustical_recording

With my set (Asus Vulcans) and the GF's (Steel series Siberia v2) through my DG, in BLOPS2 I can hear the faintest of footsteps very clear. And if you played BLOPS2 you'll know how soft they are.
Now with decent software you can set it to exaggerate certain sounds which I also do.

I've palyed a lot of BLOPS only. It goes beyond just hearing faint footsteps clearly though. Footsteps could also be heard clearly with czc's cheapo earphones. More so when connected to a DG set to game mode emphasising certain tones. So perhaps we could agree your DG is helping your Vulcans along.

Which Sennheisers have you heard, and what were they connected to? Could you explain how you tested in order to come to your above conclusion? :)

But my point is, a lot of the heat sets are designed to be stronger in a certain range as opposed to more neutral.
I hope that kinda makes sense?

Absolutely. Most headsets/phones are coloured to emphasise certain tones which appeals to certain listeners.
 

I agree they are good. And admit I have not done any scientific testing on them.

Purely subjective, but that suits me fine as it's what I perceive to hear. Both my aforementioned headphones have an awesome sound stage and very good positional sound.

I've not used the 5xx series or higher, only the 2xx series within the R1000 price range, as this is what I was willing to spend on a set of headphones.

Heeeeeeks!

like a boss :D
 
I agree they are good. And admit I have not done any scientific testing on them.

Purely subjective, but that suits me fine as it's what I perceive to hear. Both my aforementioned headphones have an awesome sound stage and very good positional sound.

I've not used the 5xx series or higher, only the 2xx series within the R1000 price range, as this is what I was willing to spend on a set of headphones.



like a boss :D

It's good that you think that, because in reality closed headsets/phones have the worst sound stage, and lesser positional sound. :)

Further, did you test the HD2xx with your DG? Since we agree it improves things tremendously, especially positioninng (sound stage), such as giving virtual 7.1 on a 2 channel headset.

Look, all I'm saying is you made quite a bold statement, and could be doing people who are looking for good audio a disservice by suggesting gaming headsets made by Chinese/Taiwanese gaming peripheral manufacturers could be better than headphones made by headphone manufacturers who've been in the business for 65+ years.
 
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It's good that you think that, because in reality closed headsets/phones have the worst sound stage, and lesser positional sound. :)

Further, did you test the HD2xx with your DG? Since we agree it improves things tremendously, especially positioninng (sound stage), such as giving virtual 7.1 on a 2 channel headset.

Look, all I'm saying is you made quite a bold statement, and could be doing people who are looking for good audio a disservice by suggesting gaming headsets made by Chinese/Taiwanese gaming peripheral manufacturers could be better than headphones made by headphone manufacturers who've been in the business for 65+ years.

Yes I agree it was an exaggerated claim to an extent, but you can't group all headphones under gaming = crap and sennheiser/whatever = awesome when they cost considerably more. You get what you pay for, but I just can't justify spending > R2k on a pair of Sennies since those are the ones people rage about.

Those steel series are open and I agree the sound is better than my closed Vulcans.

And yes don't even get me started on this virtual 7.1 whatever hype. I still prefer 2ch + sound card. :)
 
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PS: It seems some people do not know the difference between 7.1 and stereo :confused: the topic specifically asked for 7.1 gaming advice.
We're just trying to give the best advice. We know the original poster asked for a 7.1 set, but the fact is that you do get better sound by going for a decent sound card + professional headset.

We'll do the same when someone asks for a Full HD screen for graphics designing, where we'll probably recommend like an IPS panel with a resolution of 2560x1440, instead of the "poor" Full HD (1920x1080) resolution :D

The New World Menlyn shop lists the Sennheiser HD555 for R1500: http://newworldmenlyn.co.za/index.p...ategory_id=147&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
I'm not sure if they can sell it for that price still.
If they can, then you can still get away for under R2k for a soundcard, mic & headset.
 
I want!


PS: It seems some people do not know the difference between 7.1 and stereo :confused: the topic specifically asked for 7.1 gaming advice.

Seriously, Seriously? :D

Quality 2 channel headphones with sound card & virtual 5/7.1 are superior to physical 7.1 gaming headset gimmicks.
 
Using the asus DG sound card with a pair of sennheiser HD555s and im very happy. Ive never used surround sound headphones so cant compare.
 
I've owned supposedly 5.1 surround sound headphones, and let me tell you something, they are a gimmick. For some reason the 5.1 aspect only works on those who have just forked out over R1k on a set of headphones, perhaps a little bit of justification. If your budget is R2K, I would seriously consider these:

http://www.takealot.com/tv-audio-vi...sennheiser-pc-350-pro-gaming-headset,10829171


Too those who have tested (And I mean actualy tried both), is a dedicated sound card that much better than onboard sound?
 
I've owned supposedly 5.1 surround sound headphones, and let me tell you something, they are a gimmick. For some reason the 5.1 aspect only works on those who have just forked out over R1k on a set of headphones, perhaps a little bit of justification. If your budget is R2K, I would seriously consider these:

http://www.takealot.com/tv-audio-vi...sennheiser-pc-350-pro-gaming-headset,10829171


Too those who have tested (And I mean actualy tried both), is a dedicated sound card that much better than onboard sound?
I found it quite difficult to make out the difference in audio quality between my Asus P6T Deluxe v2 (ADI® AD2000B)'s sound and that of my Xonar Essense STX, BUT the effects of the Xonar sound cards make it worth while for "surround sound" gaming & movies over stereo audio equipment!
If you have headphones with an impedance higher than 50Ohms (like those audiophile class ones), then you'll need a dedicated sound card with an amplifier.

That is a rip-off for those headphones, because for like R500 you can get them + a ~R1000 worth sound card - like posted earlier: http://www.pcgear.co.za/asus-xonar-...mania&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=direct_link

I'm not sure how the spatial accuracy is with that PC350 headset, because it is closed headset and not an open one like the HD555.
Make no mistake, the audio quality should be awesome for music & gaming.

With an audiophile headset, you may have to tweak the EQ a bit to suit your gaming needs, because the footsteps might not be as exaggerated as with 7.1 gaming headsets.
 
I've owned supposedly 5.1 surround sound headphones, and let me tell you something, they are a gimmick. For some reason the 5.1 aspect only works on those who have just forked out over R1k on a set of headphones, perhaps a little bit of justification. If your budget is R2K, I would seriously consider these:

http://www.takealot.com/tv-audio-vi...sennheiser-pc-350-pro-gaming-headset,10829171


Too those who have tested (And I mean actualy tried both), is a dedicated sound card that much better than onboard sound?

Yes a dedicated sound card is that much better. Headphone amps, superior audio processors, modular OP amps (which colour the tones to your taste), higher SNR's (you hear more stuff), ability to handle over-sampling better, etc...

And the PC-350's would require a decent one with headphone amp (Asus Xonar ST/X or similar), as they are 150Ohm themselves. Normal 3.5mm audio ports output 30-40Ohm.
 
No, they know the difference.

Seriously, Seriously? :D

Quality 2 channel headphones with sound card & virtual 5/7.1 are superior to physical 7.1 gaming headset gimmicks.

Seriously?

So what about performance?


Gaming
Clearly with this being a Razer product we have a headset which is designed for gamers and in the case of the Tiamat 7.1, enthusiasts. To test the performance of this aspect we fired up Left 4 Dead 2 and enabled 7.1 audio as all Source based games support it. Immediately the clarity of audio was evident with a wide, spacious sound being created by the Tiamat. We could easily pinpoint members of our party and enemies nearby.

Moving next to DOTA 2 and switching in-game between the 2.0 and 7.1 modes it was immediately evident that positional audio offered benefits. The sound which is normally very focused was spread much more nicely and allowed us to better tell where individual sounds were coming from. The environmental effects were also nicely recreated which added atmosphere to the quieter parts of the map.

Moving next to Dirt Showdown we have a game where it is all about LOUD... Codemasters have tried to create a real Xtreme Sports event feel to the game and overall this suits the Tiamat. The thumping soundtrack has plenty of power to it, the in-game voiceovers are clear and the car engines crisp. More importantly though the Tiamat really throws the crashes at the player, these are loud ear cups and it really benefits the immersion factor.

Movies
With its 7.1 feature set the Tiamat should also be ideally suited to Blu-Rays so we fired up one of the titles which has a native 7.1 soundtrack, Toy Story 3, and took a listen to some of the key scenes. The first thing which struck us was that there was a great level of bass present in the headset along with some impressive positional audio and a good, clear representation of the ambient sounds.

On 5.1 tracks the Tiamat also performed well with good levels of quality, though not quite the extreme levels of sound stage found on 7.1. We also noted during a test of a live music Blu-Ray in 5.1 channel that the separation of vocal and instrument was good with some nice echo and directional audio in place as well as the crowd sounds towards the rear channels.

Music
That brings us to stereo performance which is also available on the Tiamat 7.1. In this mode we get plenty of volume, as with the others it can get to painful levels which is always better than being too quiet. That said music playback does highlight a weakness of the Tiamat, it lacks some clarity in stereo mode (for music at least) and can be a little too harsh in the high end.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/revie...-surround-headset-review-user-experience.html

We tested the Razer Tiamat with a variety of PC titles including Diablo III, Star Wars: The Old Republic, and Battlefield 3 and while the 7.1-channel audio couldn't really compare to a surround sound speaker setup, it was the best 7.1-channel experience we've experienced with a headset.

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/ga...azer-tiamat-7-1-gaming-headset-1085447/review

It isn't the Dolby Pro Logic II technology that many audio devices use to expand stereo music into a surround sound system, but with the small, clustered arrangement of the Tiamat's drivers, the direct stereo translation works much better because of its lower abilities for surround imaging.


Like all surround-sound headphones, the Tiamat 7.1 can't quite emulate a true surround-sound system, even with individual drivers for each channel. The ear cups just don't have enough room for the various channels to image directionally. The Tiamat 7.1 does come the closest of any gaming headphones I've tested though; I could make out some directional action when playing Team Fortress 2, a solid improvement over the Logitech G35 and Creative Sound Blaster Tactic 3D Omega ($199.99, 3.5 stars).

The Razer Tiamat 7.1 is comfortable, performs well, and comes closer to actually offering a surround sound experience than I've seen in any gaming headset. The price is very high for a wired model, but the experience makes it worth an Editors' Choice. Our favorite wireless gaming headset, the Logitech G930 ($159.99, 4 stars), is a little less expensive and more convenient, but less comfortable and you don't get the Tiamat 7.1's dedicated drivers for each channel.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2402985,00.asp

A stereo pair can produce good music but attempt to position some sound anywhere around the user’s head and you begin to see the limitations of just two speakers.

Those deficiencies become more evident when headphones use software that attempts to fill in the blanks with spatial distortion. So if we were talking about just the number of speakers used to represent space around the user then the Tiamat already succeeds where other surround sound sets have failed. There is more to these headphones though than the initial specs though.

The audio quality when paired with a decent sound card is nearly unmatched. When compared with similar products from other manufacturers it is much more easy to setup, use, and realize good music or gaming sound with little effort. Directional audio in 3D games is spot on, you can whirl around and you will know where someone or something is before even seeing it. The clarity and range of the sound is also extremely good. You can hear every source singled out and none of the bass, mids, or highs are lost among their peers.

Watching movies on blu-ray was akin to watching them on a very high end 5.1 or 7.1 surround sound entertainment system. With the included passthrough cable you can even attach such a system to the Tiamat and turn off your headphones activating the speaker system with the simple click of a button on the volume controller.

The Tiamat might be a niche product that appeals to a certain portion of the PC gaming or enthusiast crowd, but I asked myself after a few days of using them why no one else had yet filled that space. The Tiamat 7.1 did, they fit my uses perfectly while watching movies, playing games and listening to music all on my computer; all of them equally amazing. For the price I would buy them immediately and since they’ve sold out their initial production run I’d say enough people agree and have snatched up the Tiamat 7.1 Headset to experience what I’ve seen as a solid product that excels in every field.

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/728792/razer-tiamat-71-headphone-review-tech-junkies/

Anyone on MyBB that have really tried and tested one? It may be very interesting to get some experienced feedback.
 
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Yes a dedicated sound card is that much better. Headphone amps, superior audio processors, modular OP amps (which colour the tones to your taste), higher SNR's (you hear more stuff), ability to handle over-sampling better, etc...
The higher SNR (signal to noise ratio) that you get with a good sound card gives you a clearer/less noisy audio signal.

If you want to hear "more" stuff, then you should look at the frequency response. This is where like an iPhone is also very good at actually!
The SNR does play a role too.
 

Audiophile reviewers with reference audio experience, in order to determine what is good and what isn't, do not work for PC peripheral review sites. Period.

I am quite happy to believe that Tiamats are some of the better gaming headsets, since the bar is not set high at all. The crucial point here that has been mentioned is that you cannot compare gaming headsets to a proper audio brands' headsets/phones. 10 year old Chinese company manufacturing gaming peripherals using strong marketing rhetoric vs 65+ year old German company specialising in audio using facts and real data to show you how good they are.

You are falling into the trap of marketing gullability, as well as accepting what ever you find on PC review sites as if they are the be all and end all. They can make anything sound good and sell. You need to understand that audio testing requires people in the field to be the testers, not some geeks who enjoy gaming and mp3's.

Audio is a very subjective area that few people understand. For example it's why boomy bass speakers/head/earphones sell. I'm sure Tiamats would sound amazing to such types, as it's relative to their experience.

Please tell us what your experience is?

[video=youtube;YleuLyCUx28]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YleuLyCUx28[/video]

Some humour from the real experts - http://www.head-fi.org/t/580856/razer-tiamat-10-driver-headphones/15.
 
Audiophile reviewers with reference audio experience, in order to determine what is good and what isn't, do not work for PC peripheral review sites. Period.

I am quite happy to believe that Tiamats are some of the better gaming headsets, since the bar is not set high at all. The crucial point here that has been mentioned is that you cannot compare gaming headsets to a proper audio brands' headsets/phones. 10 year old Chinese company manufacturing gaming peripherals using strong marketing rhetoric vs 65+ year old German company specialising in audio using facts and real data to show you how good they are.

You are falling into the trap of marketing gullability, as well as accepting what ever you find on PC review sites as if they are the be all and end all. They can make anything sound good and sell. You need to understand that audio testing requires people in the field to be the testers, not some geeks who enjoy gaming and mp3's.

Audio is a very subjective area that few people understand. For example it's why boomy bass speakers/head/earphones sell. I'm sure Tiamats would sound amazing to such types, as it's relative to their experience.

Please tell us what your experience is?

Some humour from the real experts - http://www.head-fi.org/t/580856/razer-tiamat-10-driver-headphones/15.


Mmmm, sense from your humour link.

ap.razerzone.com/gaming-audio/razer-tiamat-7-1

Big knock here is that they're impossible to get your hands on. the 3.5mm jacks are for a 7 channel surround sound card n00bs! XD

You're only living in a stereo world! It makes a huge difference when you're gaming for separate ranges from different directions to be achieved.

The subs are 40mm, fronts are 30mm and surrounds are 20mm. True Audiophiles are few and far between in the PC gaming world, but as a musician I can tell you this is a giant leap in the right direction. IF YOU CAN GET A PAIR OF THESE...

Postman the key point is gaming acoustics or surround sound, if I wanted excellent audio sure there are very good headphones but for gaming you want something that gives you the edge. Thus maybe these threads would give some insight of what I am looking for in my research for a good gaming headset.

http://base.teamxbox.com/blog-post/43202/4403/01-20-2008/p1/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad...guide-updated-11-12-12-sennheiser-hd650-added


Audio-Technica AD700



Sells for around $100 (more or less).

Spectacular for FPS games. Great detail in the mids and energetic treble. Soundstage is the biggest of any headphone I have heard in Dolby Headphone mode (including the K701). Everything sounds just so crystal clear and sparkly. Directional accuracy is just bloody fantastic (2nd only to the DT770 Pro 80s for me). If you want a headphone that just murders practically everything else for FPS games, the AD700s is that headphone. They are really bass light. That is their biggest issue. Bass is so light, it sounds like a tin can attempting to sound like a subwoofer. Just no bass, lol. So for immersive, non-competitive gaming, these aren't going to impress. The treble can also be quite grating and harsh. They also sound somewhat artificial, so don't expect accurate and realistic sounds coming from this headphone.


Comfort-wise, the pads are super comfortable, but the cans are way too loose for some people, and your ears may touch the drivers which a shock prone person like me couldn't handle anymore.


Fun: 6/10 (the soundstage is it's own brand of fun, but soundstage and clarity aside, they're not going to wow you.)

Competitive: 10/10



Comfort: 3/10

AKG K701 (K702)



update: my impressions are for an older K701 (7 bump version). New K701s (8 bumps on headband) MIGHT sound close, or the same as the Q701. Too many conflicting reports to say who is right, and who is wrong. All I know is that my old K701 sounded different enough from the newer Q701s.

Sells for around $250-300.

Remember how I felt the AD700 did something to me? How it completely change my view on headphones and Dolby Headphone? Well, I got that same feeling again with the K701. In fact, I felt like god had given me the secret to just out right smite my enemies with the hammer of justice. The K701 to me, is pure, unadulterated, SMACKDOWN inducing OWNAGE. The very first time I used them (Modern Warfare 2), I went 2 straight 25-0 games in Free For All. I mean, holy smokes. The K701 was like wearing x-ray vision goggles for my ears. Depth, width, imaging, complete detail retrieval... it had it all. These to me, are the very vision of the perfect gaming headphone (with Dolby Headphone). I'd still place the overall positioning behind the DT770 Pro 80, and AD700, but it's on par with the HD598. We're talking about them being maybe a 9.9 instead of a 10 (which is what the 770s and AD700s are to me). Those two have NOTHING on the clarity and detail-whoring the K701 has. The bass is light, but present enough for it not to be anywhere near a complaint for me. It just works. You want my top pick for a purely godlike hardcore gaming headphone? The K70x is it. Now if only they were easy to drive. Believe it or not, the Mixamp does a good job driving the K70x, as long as you don't mix in voice chat whatsoever. Talking about leaving the game/voice balance completely on the game side. Once you nudge the balance away from game, the volume takes a steep dive, and you will note how badly the things need an amp.

Now I already know how volume =/= driving force, but for gaming with dolby headphone, you WON'T think about that or notice. Trust me, the Mixamp is enough for the K701 if again, you don't add voice chat. If you do, you WILL need to attach an amp to the Mixamp's headphone out, just to juice the K70x and voice chat audio. Yes, they do scale with good amping, but for the purpose of gaming, I don't deem it necessary, asides from when you're in need of voice chat.

Comfort-wise, quite polarizing. A lot of people have issue with the headband's bumps. I won't lie, they take getting used to. However, once you've beared with it enough, your head will get desensitized by that particular sensation. The bumps no longer affect me in the least. I find them extremely comfortable. My only complaint now is that I wish the headband extended just a little more. I have to fully extend them to fit me properly, and it's quite noticeably felt, though it's not a real discomfort.

Fun: 6/10

Competitve: 10/10

Comfort: 8/10
 
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Mmmm, sense from your humour link.



Postman the key point is gaming acoustics or surround sound, if I wanted excellent audio sure there are very good headphones but for gaming you want something that gives you the edge. Thus maybe these threads would give some insight of what I am looking for in my research for a good gaming headset.

http://base.teamxbox.com/blog-post/43202/4403/01-20-2008/p1/

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad...guide-updated-11-12-12-sennheiser-hd650-added

Exactly why people buy headphones from reputable brands over headsets from gaming brands.

Perhaps pay closer attention to your link:

MY TOP CHOICES (for quick reference)


Competitive:

K701
Q701
HD598
PC360
AD700
Pro 2900
DT990
D7000
HE-400



Fun:

D7000
DT990
Pro 900
HE-400
DT990 Pro 250ohm
HE-4
Sennheiser HD650
Creative Aurvana Live
DT770 Pro 80
DT880
Pro 2900


All-rounders (for both uses):

D7000
HE-400
Q701
DT990
HE-4
Pro 900
Pro 2900
Sennheiser HD650
DT880
PC360
Creative Aurvana Live
KSC35
KSC75

See all the gaming headsets? :rolleyes:

Could you explain why not one Razer headset is in the list?

2 headphones I own(ed) are in that list (considering HD595 = HD598) and I've good experience with a third. Have you tried any of them? Compared them with any gaming headsets? What were you running your headphones/sets off?
 
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Exactly why people buy headphones from reputable brands over headsets from gaming brands.

Perhaps pay closer attention to your link:



See all the gaming headsets? :rolleyes:

Could you explain why not one Razer headset is in the list?

2 headphones I own(ed) are in that list (considering HD595 = HD598) and I've good experience with a third. Have you tried any of them? Compared them with any gaming headsets? What were you running your headphones/sets off?

Do you have experience with the Razer Tiamat 7.1?

Well there do not seem to be many headsets with multiple drivers around are there? therefore my interest. I have no experience on 5.1/7.1 channel headsets as I use a 5.1 surround sound system for gaming on PS3 therefore my research into a decent headset at an affordable price for personal use without losing the experience and to end immersing the whole family and neighbours in my gaming experiences.

On my PC I have the oldish Creative Audigy 2 ZS Platinum Pro: external sound with surround speakers and Internal Asus SupremeFX II 8-CH Audio specific for gaming.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dts-7,691-3.html
 
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