7.2mb Really?

Gamer said:
No no no, that in english would read:

"Shoo, thank God none of you in this thread know what you are talking about. Imagine you all worked for DOC (?), we'd all be screwed."

What was written resembles something that someone born in the 90's might write due to a lack of a real education and too much MXIT. :)

Don't worry, I'm just pulling your leg. As a 30 something year old, I really fear for our country's future..not because of our ruling party, but because of the quality of education of the next generation...very scary.
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Hehehehe... :D

doc = dept. of communications - the guavamint :D
 
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wheunis said:
Package --- Cost per MB
MyMeg 5 --- R 1.85
MyMeg 20 --- R 1.40
MyMeg 75 --- R 1.17
MyMeg 150 --- R 0.79
MyMeg 250 --- R 0.56
MyMeg 500 --- R 0.38
MyGig One --- R 0.28
MyGig Two --- R 0.19
MyGig Three --- R 0.19 difference = R 0.00
MyGig Five --- R 0.19 difference = R 0.00
MyGig Ten --- R 0.19 difference = R 0.00
MyGig Twenty --- R 0.19 difference = R 0.00


Already done.
For a few years already now.
Anything else?
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Yes, please reduce the in-bundle rates as the bundles become bigger...
 
wheunis said:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=1166&dict=CALD

Advanced
adjective
1) highly developed:
This is the most advanced type of engine available.

2) at a higher, more difficult level:
an advanced English course



In this case, i suppose nr 1 applies best to their marketing. Its better, newer, etc.
At the same time, nr 2 applies equally to people's lack of understanding with regards to the offering. Perhaps that was what Voda subconsciously intended in the naming.

aka: Higher Grade understanding only :D
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IMO Vodacom should consider using the terms Higher Grade Broadband and Standard Grade Broadband, at least I like and support your idea :).
 
P0is3nIvy said:
wot anton is getin @ is that BBA charges shud b wot BBS charges r. Kapish? ;)
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Nope, in-bundle rates for bundles larger than 2 gig should be reduced... I have no interest in BBA until it becomes BBA 7.2E (E = Everywhere)
 
Antonf said:
Nope, in-bundle rates for bundles larger than 2 gig should be reduced... I have no interest in BBA until it becomes BBA 7.2E (E = Everywhere)
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My guess is that you will wait till minimum 5th May, when Telkom releases it's 50% stake in Vodacom.

To be realistic though, you would have to wait a VERY long time for HSDPA ANYTHING to be available EVERYWHERE.

Just not going to happen im affraid.
Remember that roadstall in the middle of nowhere on your way to Sishen in the Karoo?
Yeah, that guy wont get anything.

But more efficient backhaul is on it's way as Vodacom is still rolling out 4 of the 11 Fibre loops they planned.
Probably more loops on the way after that, but initial planning was for 11.
 
ic said:
No need to apologise, hopefully this will make more sense:

Don't blame me or anyone else for failing to do your research before buying a VCBBA PPDB.Incorrect.

You have only established that the primary selling point of VCBBA [i.e. OOBR == IBR], is not advantageous to yourself.

You have not established that the primary selling point of VCBBA [i.e. OOBR == IBR], is not advantageous to anyone that has a different usage patten to yourself.I do not represent Vodacom, but as a consumer, I stubbornly do not have sympathy for people who do not even attempt to research what they are spending money on before they purchase.
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Point 1

"Don't blame me or anyone else for failing to do your research before buying a VCBBA PPDB"

Please provide us with a guide on how we would know if we are able to get greater speeds on 7.2 than on 3.6?? Seriously, step by step, what research can us no quailified customs follow to find out if we are going to be waisting our money on getting 7.2 for the greater speed??

v3g did a post something to the effect that if we are on 3.6 and we are flat lining it, then we should have enough backhaul to support greater speeds if we get 7.2. I was flat lining, I phoned vodacom to confirm the tower was 7.2 compatiable, I had a 7.2 enabled device. Know what research didnt I do???

Point 2

"You have only established that the primary selling point of VCBBA [i.e. OOBR == IBR], is not advantageous to yourself."

Glad you agree on something

Point 3

"You have not established that the primary selling point of VCBBA [i.e. OOBR == IBR], is not advantageous to anyone that has a different usage patten to yourself."

Please provide some examples of who it would be advantageous too? Especially considering the 7.2 is fail atm. I cant seem to come up with a pattern of usage that BBA would be better for than just buying a new data package on BBS at the cheaper rate every time you finish your data package...

Point 4

"I do not represent Vodacom" Are u for real? well send in your cv, you will fit in just perfectly with them;)

Point 5

"as a consumer, I stubbornly do not have sympathy for people who do not even attempt to research what they are spending money on before they purchase"

Agreed, but refer to point 1 ( is 7.2 going to be available to me guide please?? ) and point 3 ( is there actually a usage pattern that BBA is actually more advantageous? )
 
GotTrend said:
Please provide some examples of who it would be advantageous too?
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Company network i set up some 2 years ago. (This was the last average i took for 3 months usage)
Back then their monthly usage was 84GB total.

33GB for in-house mail retrieval, browsing, and such uses.
27GB for field agents.
15GB for the server updates (NAV Corporate, Office, SQL, Win2003 Server)
9GB for Synchronizing once a day at midnight, with branches.

Out of all that, 57GB is used at headoffice, through a single connection.

For this company, i would DEFINITELY recommend getting a BBA 20GB bundle on contract SIM, resulting in the cheapest OOBR in the country. The possibility of the speed increase, whether that happens immediate or in near future (due to tower and backhaul considerations).

For this company, being down on their connection is worse than genocide.
They will use that 20GB even in the slowest month they could possibly imagine. But they dont have to worry about the bundles.

The technician who might be sick the exact day that the bundle would have run out, doesnt need to be wheeled out of hospital with pneumonia at critical point, to come reload a bundle, or face paying R2 per MB.

Nope.
The contract refreshes at the beginning of the month, and no matter if it runs out, they will STILL only pay 19c per MB OOBR.
 
GotTrend said:
Point 1

"Don't blame me or anyone else for failing to do your research before buying a VCBBA PPDB"

Please provide us with a guide on how we would know if we are able to get greater speeds on 7.2 than on 3.6?? Seriously, step by step, what research can us no quailified customs follow to find out if we are going to be waisting our money on getting 7.2 for the greater speed??

v3g did a post something to the effect that if we are on 3.6 and we are flat lining it, then we should have enough backhaul to support greater speeds if we get 7.2. I was flat lining, I phoned vodacom to confirm the tower was 7.2 compatiable, I had a 7.2 enabled device. Know what research didnt I do???
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GotTrend said:
My Avg download is speed is 3000kbps and upload 700kbps.
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Exactly what method are you using to test your downlink speed on VCBBA?

Your other points have already been answered but you have ignored the answers given.
 
wheunis said:
To be realistic though, you would have to wait a VERY long time for HSDPA ANYTHING to be available EVERYWHERE.11.
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I think any reasonable person will concede that "Everywhere" doesn't imply a 100% footprint...

You seem to ignore the bundle rate issue, or doesn't anybody require more than 2 gig at a time?

BTW: Sishen is in the Kalahari, not the Karoo...
 
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Bandwidth as it is, remains expensive in SA for the time being.

For them to lower the bare minimum cost per M/B, regardless of the quantity you "bulk" buy, would mean theyre cutting below running costs and profitability.

To be honest, they remain a company, and companies exist to make a profit.
They do no exist to serve you at a loss to themselves.

For the time being, as much as I welcome price-drops, I stand by Vodacom in this one. The 19c per MB is imho, as low as they can take it and still cut SOME measure of profir, even if its 1c per MB, even if its 18c per MB.

Show me any other company providing HSDPA/UPA, @3.6 or @7.2, for LESS than 19c per MB, in SA.

EDIT: if you say Telkom, you truely are a fool, since they set the price for ANY international bandwidth in SA atm, hence they can obviously beat the prices they charge to competitors.
 
Thanks for all the input everyone. Enjoyed reading all the views.

wheunis I agree with your example. I think BBA is only really playing a part in large data requirement firms like in your example.

For now I stand by my view that BBA atm as it is is not a great package. I feel that what needs to happen is that vodacom should provide an open trial month like they did when 3.6 was launched. This will allow users the opportunity to find out if they will be able to achieve greater speeds with the advanced package. If they are able to, then there will difinatly be some reason for users to spend the extra $$$.

For your average private home user BBA is not worth it until they sort out the backhaul issue. The fact is you will be paying more and you will still be getting the same speeds as the BBS 3.6. The OOBR = IBR works out to be more expensive in the end.

Of all the companies, I do actually like vodacom the best, thats why I use them. But it should not cloud your reasoning. BBA will only be a good deal once we can see the results in the speed as this is the only real reason that they should be able to be charging the sort of rate they are. I will happily go for BBA and be willing to pay the additional when this is sorted out. But atm vodacom is ripping the average private user off.
 
GotTrend said:
For now I stand by my view that BBA atm as it is is not a great package. I feel that what needs to happen is that vodacom should provide an open trial month like they did when 3.6 was launched. This will allow users the opportunity to find out if they will be able to achieve greater speeds with the advanced package. If they are able to, then there will difinatly be some reason for users to spend the extra $$$.
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I'm not even sure why people want to go with 7.2 Mbps aside from some kind of speedtest.net pissing contest. So you can empty your monthly 2GB cap in 45 minutes instead of 90 minutes? :confused:

The latency of HSDPA makes browsing only fractionally faster at 7.2 vs 3.6, so it doesn't even help you there.
 
I am yet to see a latency change for gaming at any speed, whilst using the same international carrier.

What i mean is; even at plain 3g, and also at any rate HSDPA (1.8, 3.6, 7.2), latency in online games remain within the same 2% margin.

Example: WoW on US server
3g: ~400ms
HSDPA 1.8: ~400ms
HSDPA 3.6: ~400ms
HSDPA 7.2: Untested but im sure we can guess...

The basics of the latencies remain the same since the days we left EDGE behind. The amount of water pouring out the hosepipe has increased, but not the time it takes the water to travel from the tap to the spout.

Mostly this is due to contention ratios, but thats VERY unlikely to change without HEAVY influences over MANY years.
 
wheunis said:
I am yet to see a latency change for gaming at any speed, whilst using the same international carrier.

What i mean is; even at plain 3g, and also at any rate HSDPA (1.8, 3.6, 7.2), latency in online games remain within the same 2% margin.

Example: WoW on US server
3g: ~400ms
HSDPA 1.8: ~400ms
HSDPA 3.6: ~400ms
HSDPA 7.2: Untested but im sure we can guess...

The basics of the latencies remain the same since the days we left EDGE behind. The amount of water pouring out the hosepipe has increased, but not the time it takes the water to travel from the tap to the spout.

Mostly this is due to contention ratios, but thats VERY unlikely to change without HEAVY influences over MANY years.
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Totally, and at this point latency is the primary factor in slowing down even regular web browsing. Heck, a site like MyBB is only 300KB... 7.2Mbps should be able to do that in a third of second, but latency cripples it down to roughly the same speed as 3.6Mbps.
 
Wow what a long winded discussion about something So simple. Someone paid for 7.2 (which i think in this country is just plain dumb cause i'd use it up before i finished my cup of coffee but That's not the point)the point is he's paying for a service he's not getting. Vodacom advertises 7.2 and all fine print aside That's what he should be getting. And i think the ASA Would agree.
 
GayTechie said:
Wow what a long winded discussion about something So simple. Someone paid for 7.2 (which i think in this country is just plain dumb cause i'd use it up before i finished my cup of coffee but That's not the point)the point is he's paying for a service he's not getting. Vodacom advertises 7.2 and all fine print aside That's what he should be getting. And i think the ASA Would agree.
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It's "up to 7.2". And with HSDPA and contention they could never guarantee speeds in any case. Yes, it would be nice if they had more backhaul in place to support better speeds everywhere, but the extra speed is so useless on HSDPA that I find it hard to get too worried about people's speedtest.net disappointments.

As ic said before, if you go for BBA, you should be doing it for the OOB features. If you're doing it for 7.2, prepare to be disappointed (even if you get full 7.2 on the tower).
 
Alrite now I gettit. Da hole reason why 7.2 was conjured was so dat we dont have to spend another trip to the shop to bye another bundle at the same price/Meg. And for that conveniance we have to fork out more muney for a bundle. :confused: Speed was not da motorvating facktor then? :confused:
 
@GotTrend, you did not answer my question:
ic said:
Exactly what method are you using to test your downlink speed on VCBBA?
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Here is v3g's 7.2 speed testing methodology, which I suggest that you adopt:
vodacom3g said:
One thing we've found is that it's pretty difficult to measure above about 3Mb/s using the commonly available speed tests. They tend to run out of steam measuring the higher speeds.

Best way I've found is to use a meter like DUMeter and then download as much stuff as possible concurrently.
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Look at the throughput [speed], that the bandwidth monitor application you're using, says you are actually getting during such concurrent downloads.
 
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