71% ADSL Price Decrease Reasonable

[Prometheus]

Telkom's waitlist to get adsl is at least 1 month some areas and 2 months+ in others. They do not have the capacity to work faster and they're not willing to invest money to improve the process. How can we ever expect them cut their price by 70%?

Let's not even go into their failing networks...

And yet they have more employees than companies in most other countries...

cause smart asses takes the local access, set up a proxy for international access and voila unlimited international access ass well

Yeah - but one way or another that smart arse is also paying for the international access part.

I'll assume you are talking about torrents. You can only send via a proxy. Anything received doesn't go through the proxy. And people are using proxies now anyway for international access, so that doesn't fly.

Just look at the figures:
Assume 40% of ADSL lines are 512kbps (50% being 384kbps - 192kbps, and 10% being 1024kbps) so of an optimistic 170,000 ADSL users, we have 68,000 x (R477 + R92) = R38,692,000 per month.
Projected (after the 71% price decrease)
2,600,000 ADSL users x (R193 + R92) = R741,000,000 per month!
With that kind of monthly revenue, they can EASILY afford to employ enough staff, roll out new improved infrastructure and STILL keep the shareholders happy!

Economics101. Now why are they too daft to understand this?

 

[ZeroSplice]

I normally moan and gripe about strikes and stuff like any other person, but recently i've been thinking... What if ADSL users started rampaging through the streets like security workers?

That would be cool! I get to throw rocks at telkom staff and the govt might wake up long enough to notice

Man, I would pay to afford this luxury.

71% ADSL decrease, right now my mind is thinking of the concepts of this article actually materialising. raaaaaiiiiiiittt

I especially hate Telkom cos I felt whats it like to use 'normal' broadband internet in England. 1mb connection and no cap. That's the life not this trodden down excuse for ADSL.

 

[Prometheus]

Great article with factual numbers, probably the best one yet, but where's the button to send this to the DoC and ICASA?

 

[LabAnimal]

that's all good and well that the costs come down - what about the cap? the price per gig would have to fall SHARPLY as its too expensive on its own without the stupid line rental and DSL sub.

 

[bwana]

I'll assume you are talking about torrents. You can only send via a proxy. Anything received doesn't go through the proxy. And people are using proxies now anyway for international access, so that doesn't fly.

I'm lost - who are you assuming is talking about torrents?

EDIT - Can someone pls enlighten me - surely if you're capped internationally all of your international traffic (ie both directions) has to go via the proxy?

 

[Prometheus]

I'm lost - who are you assuming is talking about torrents?

I think albert123 was talking about torrents, because that's normally what causes the traffic.

Can someone pls enlighten me - surely if you're capped internationally all of your international traffic (ie both directions) has to go via the proxy?

You're correct. Otherwise you could run a web server sending data through the proxy.

 

[bwana]

I think albert123 was talking about torrents, because that's normally what causes the traffic.

You're correct. Otherwise you could run a web server sending data through the proxy.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[damngirl]

I wanna see all this happen...

 

[feo]

Can someone please just give us 512 uncapped for R190 already...i need internet at home during the day for work but its too $$$..

 

[MaD]

Why should Telkom lower ADSL prices? They already have such a backlog that they don't know what to do with themselves. More people are starting to bite the bullet and order ADSL. Coupled with the fact that Telkom doesn't give a **** about the country or who does or doesn't have ADSL, there seems to be no reason for them to lower their prices.

The less we expect of Telkom the better.

 

[Xarog]

Why should Telkom lower ADSL prices? They already have such a backlog that they don't know what to do with themselves.

Um, because profiteering is wrong?

The less we expect of Telkom the better.

Rubbish. Telkom gets away with all it can, if we lower our expectations, they will take advantage of it and push the boundary further.

If everyone was happy with the current prices, and Telkom caught wind of the fact, you can bet anything you like that they would raise their prices a few weeks/months down the line, just because they could.

 

[feo]

it seems absolutely nobody cares...this is said over and over and over that telkom can still make their huge profits by dropping prices and rehire more techies to absorb the increased orders..how can we be the only ones that see the logic? Its just so frustrating..

 

[Nokkie]

rpm reading this artical sound like a dream come tru...

but do you really think they will be up for the change?
Im not getting ADSL again untill they get their prices straight even if I have to wait 3 to 5years...

 

[feo]

Other countries would have a problem like this sorted in 3 to 5 WEEKS..no messing around no talks no announcements no colloqiums no promises..just solid actions. We should be able to enjoy the benefits of cheap broadband NOW not 3 to 5 years from now! I want my dsl and i want it soon...simple. Im not prepared to wait but nobody is goin the extra mile to make this happen for us...

 

[neio]

There are only 5 million telephone lines in South Africa.

Currently their Clarify Databse has 2.7 million customers.

 

[Prometheus]

Currently their Clarify Databse has 2.7 million customers.

So they can double their user base without rolling out any infrastructure.

 

[kilo39]

But how can a country of 45+million people only have 2.7 million subscribers - right there is the answer of telkoms overcharging, breach of contract to the SA people -. If true - then telkom is an embarrassment to SA and SA to the world - if only anybody would pay attention. Does 2.7 include business customers - would think so - even more abysmal.

Telkom killed the telephone.

 

[Lord Anubis]

Theory (bear with me based on above statements on amounts of people, lines & subscribers)

If we currently have a population of +- 50 million (incl all the illegals)
And 60% are unemployed (working age of 18-65) = 20 million left.
and 30% of that number are children = 12 million left
and 30% are pensioners = 6 milllion left
and 80% earn less than R2000-00 pm = 1 million left
and of those 1million only 20 % have pc's in their homes = 200 000 left
and of those 200 000 only half are interested in internet = 100 000

err have we not reached +- total adsl penetration already ?

Lets face it there just aren't 10's of millions of SA citizens even remotely interested in technology or will even see a pc in their homes.SA just isn't on the brink of a technological explosion, I think were on the brink of facing 10-20 yrs of extensive goverment projects aimed at creating state subsidized municipal employment schemes/social services....not telco or technological progress.

I just returned from a two week business trip to the US & UK and SA is at least 40 yrs behind the west....not almost like the west, but decades behind. e.g the hotel (in the US) where I stayed had a 24mbps wifi connection, uncapped, unshaped, free voip, and 500 channel tv...all free. TV ads on cbs (almost hourly) were for various multi service dsl schemes (tv, voip, internet/dsl combo's) for as little as $25-00 a month. Lowest speed (dsl only service) was 2mbps for about $10-00 (R60-00 a month) no contract.

 

[mooK]

40 Years?

*Goes into the bathroom and stabs himself in the stomach and pulls out his intestines*

 

[Lord Anubis]

*Goes into the bathroom and stabs himself in the stomach and pulls out his intestines*

It gets worse..thier food is better, cars better, homes better and above all you don't have to look around yourself the whole time in public wondering when and if you will or won't get shanked....and at least when you get to your car in the UK or US you're not confronted with carguards and beggars or find human excrement/pee at your door or ariel broken off as I have on occassion found...(when I said no to a carguard).

SA sux so much that I am planning on leaving as soon as I can

I just can't wait anymore for better days because imho the diluted cheap pva paint job of the past decade's goverment is starting to look cr@p and its proley going to get a whole lot worse before it gets better.