"AA here to stay" - Trevor Manuel

Cant find it, civil engineering coupled with some other economics qualification is rather good and suited IMO.

He holds no econ qualifications whatsoever. Therefore, Trevor Manuel is not qualified for his position. Period.
 
But when we can eliminate some of them rather than promote them, then we should.
The capitalist system thrives on exploitaition and self realisation. We need policies to put on the breaks on these things especially in country with a history of institutionalised discrimination and exploitation. The reality of our country is that whites hold the economic power and blacks hold the political power. Econmic power cannot be transfered in a capitalist environment without a bit of political intervention. Remember under capitalism the rich become richer and the poor become poorer. In other countries this is a class debate but in our country it's inevitably a race debate because different classes based on race were created by apartheid.
 
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The capitalist system thrives on exploitaition and self realisation. We need policies to put on the breaks on these things especially in country with a history of institutionalised discrimination and exploitation. The reality of our country is that whites hold the economic power and blacks hold the political power. Econmic power cannot be transfered in a capitalist environment without a bit of political intervention. Remember under capitalism the rich become richer and the poor become poorer. In other coutries this is a class debate but in our country it's inevitable a race debate because different classes based on race were created by apartheid.

Wise words indeed. We are starting to get onto the same page here :)

I still stand by the comments that I have already made though.

Qualified people with the same education should be exposed to the same treatment when applying for a job, unless there are extraordinary circumstances like a company still being all white. Something which is not every likely in 2007 South Africa.
 

* Elected by the World Economic Forum as a Global Leader for Tomorrow (January 1994).
* Awarded the Africa Prize by the German Africa Foundation, jointly with the then South African Minister of Finance, Derek Keys (September 1994).
* Named Euromoney's African Finance Minister of the year (1997).
* Inducted as a member of South African Academy of Engineering (February 2001).
* Honorary Doctorate of Commerce from University of Stellenbosch (December 2001).
* Honorary Doctorate of Commerce from University of the Western Cape (13 March 2002).
* Honorary Doctorate of Technology from Technikon South Africa (15 November 2002).
* Honorary Doctorate of Technology from Peninsula Technikon (16 March 2002).
* Honorary Doctorate of Economics from University of Natal (02 April 2003).
* Honorary Doctorate of Technology from Free State Technikon (2003).
* Honorary Doctorate of Law from Rhodes University (2006).
* Presidential award by the Institute of Personnel Magement (IPM), Johannesburg (2October 2006).
* Management Excellence Award (MANEX) by Wits Business School (5 October 2006)


You should be honored!! I am!
 

* Elected by the World Economic Forum as a Global Leader for Tomorrow (January 1994).
* Awarded the Africa Prize by the German Africa Foundation, jointly with the then South African Minister of Finance, Derek Keys (September 1994).
* Named Euromoney's African Finance Minister of the year (1997).
* Inducted as a member of South African Academy of Engineering (February 2001).
* Honorary Doctorate of Commerce from University of Stellenbosch (December 2001).
* Honorary Doctorate of Commerce from University of the Western Cape (13 March 2002).
* Honorary Doctorate of Technology from Technikon South Africa (15 November 2002).
* Honorary Doctorate of Technology from Peninsula Technikon (16 March 2002).
* Honorary Doctorate of Economics from University of Natal (02 April 2003).
* Honorary Doctorate of Technology from Free State Technikon (2003).
* Honorary Doctorate of Law from Rhodes University (2006).
* Presidential award by the Institute of Personnel Magement (IPM), Johannesburg (2October 2006).
* Management Excellence Award (MANEX) by Wits Business School (5 October 2006)


You should be honored!! I am!

Erm, dude, Honorary doctorates do not a doctor make.

http://www.mbendi.co.za/vpsatxm.htm
 
Its still recognition for something.
Who else has more?
It's only an award. Many many people have received similar awards. Often it is bestowed by the university as part of a publicity stunt. The award is really just there to stroke the recipients ego while getting a popular person "associated" with the institution. It actually means nothing.
 
Wise words indeed. We are starting to get onto the same page here :)

I still stand by the comments that I have already made though.

Qualified people with the same education should be exposed to the same treatment when applying for a job, unless there are extraordinary circumstances like a company still being all white. Something which is not every likely in 2007 South Africa.
I don't know what the exact affirmative action quotas are but for a company that employs 50 or less people, affirmative action does not apply. Which means that all those 50 employees can be all white. If you don't count the tea ladies and cleaners, I don't think you need to go far to find companies like that.
 
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Hi JK8,

Interesting sig, it reminds me of a quote by Winston Churchill:
If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain.

Of course, he was talking of British politics.

/OT
 
Hehe. I knew he would quote that. You don't have to do anything to get one of those! Sorry man.
aren't those in recognition of some achievement or contribution...? sort of like the knights and the sirs and the dukes and all that english crap...
 
aren't those in recognition of some achievement or contribution...? sort of like the knights and the sirs and the dukes and all that english crap...

Yes, sorry. I meant it does not mean that one has studied in that field.
 
I don't know what the exact affirmative action quotas are but for a company that employs 50 or less people, affirmative action does not apply. Which means that all those 50 employees can be all white. If you don't count the tea ladies and cleaners, I don't think you need to go far to find companies like that.

Is the number 50? I did not think this was the case. Is there not a call for the quotas to be applied to ALL companies no matter what the size in the next few years?

I know that at least a third of all management positions were meant to be held by black people in a few year's time. In fact I think the figure might have been higher than this...

Will do some more research. No good arguing facts of which I am not sure.
 
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Hi JK8,

Interesting sig, it reminds me of a quote by Winston Churchill:


Of course, he was talking of British politics.

/OT

OT/

Taught youd like some more.

What is conservativism? Is it not the adherence to the old and tried against the new and untried? - Abraham Lincoln

A conservative is a man who believes that nothing should be done for the first time. - Alfred E. Wiggam

Conservative: a statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. - Ambrose Bierce

Conservatism discards Prescription, shrinks from Principle, disavows Progress; having rejected all respect for antiquity, it offers no redress for the present, and makes no preparation for the future. - Benjamin Disraeli

A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy. ^

A conservative is a man who is too cowardly to fight and too fat to run. - Elbert Hubbard

A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

I really like this one, has a bit of a SA tinge to it.

Liberals feel unworthy of their possessions. Conservatives feel they deserve everything they've stolen. - Mort Sahl
OT/
 
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