"AA here to stay" - Trevor Manuel

Bageloo said:
aren't those in recognition of some achievement or contribution...? sort of like the knights and the sirs and the dukes and all that english crap...
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My previous post refers.

Many many famous people have received Honorary Doctorates and similar awards before, including:

Bono (U2 Leadsinger)
Bill Clinton
George W Bush
Pierce Brosnan
Eddie Jordan
Nelson Mandela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_awards_and_honours_bestowed_on_Nelson_Mandela - considerably more than Manuel)
Tiger Woods
Gary Player
and even the eternally stupid Jacob Zuma
 
As president Mandela has said, "The primary aims of affirmative action must be to redress the imbalances created by apartheid. We are not . . . asking for hand-outs for anyone nor are we saying that just as a white skin was a passport to privilege in the past, so a black skin should be the basis of privilege in the future. Nor . . . is it our aim to do away with qualifications. What we are against is not the upholding of standards as such but the sustaining of barriers to the attainment of standards; the special measures that we envisage to overcome the legacy of past discrimination are not intended to ensure the advancement of unqualified persons, but to see to it that those who have been denied access to qualifications in the past can become qualified now, and that those who have been qualified all along but overlooked because of past discrimination, are at last given their due. The first point to be made is that affirmative action must be rooted in principles of justice and equality." October 1991
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What an amazing man he was. Such wise and enlightened comments.
 
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Literature from the University of Fort Hare (2001)
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Administration from the University of Zululand (2001)
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Philosophy from Medical University of Southern Africa (2001)

Bwahahahahahaha. I even think he didn't matriculate.
 
BobbyMac said:
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Literature from the University of Fort Hare (2001)
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Administration from the University of Zululand (2001)
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Philosophy from Medical University of Southern Africa (2001)

Bwahahahahahaha. I don't even think he matriculated
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Laughable that is.
 
BobbyMac said:
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Literature from the University of Fort Hare (2001)
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Administration from the University of Zululand (2001)
Received an Honorary Doctorate of Philosophy from Medical University of Southern Africa (2001)

Bwahahahahahaha. I even think he didn't matriculate.
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Eish Bobby, we have already established that these are meant to recognise contributions to society in general not to academia as such.
Irvin Khoza the owner of Orlando Pirates and Chariman of 2010 company was also honoured a while back. I also don't think he had anything to do with institutions of higher learning prior to that. But he played a pivotal role in bringing the world cup to SA.
Zuma also played a vital role in bringing about peace in KwazuluNatal and Burundi. Granted he has made some stupid mistakes but that should not vilify all the good work he has done.
 
hj2k_x said:
What an amazing man he was. Such wise and enlightened comments.
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Those words are actually echoed in today's employment equity act. It's just that depending who you asked, you are bound to get different answers as to what affirmative action is...:cool: Some black people tend to think it means entitlement to nice paying jobs. And some white people tend to think it means giving jobs to blacks that are not qualified. Somewhere between those two extremes, is the truth about affirmative action.
 
Bageloo said:
Those words are actually echoed in today's employment equity act. It's just that depending who you asked, you are bound to get different answers as to what affirmative action is...:cool: Some black people tend to think it means entitlement to nice paying jobs. And some white people tend to think it means giving jobs to blacks that are not qualified. Somewhere between those two extremes, is the truth about affirmative action.
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In principle, I agree with this middle ground. I do not, however, think that this is what is implemented in reality, unfortunately.
 
JK8 said:
So lol wait you saying Trevors not doing a good job, and some white person can do better?:rolleyes:
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Yeah people like Dr Owen Horwood and Barend Du Plessis ... they were really good finance ministers unlike Trevor ... in fact we can thank uncle Trevor for his good leadership on finance for giving us those low interest rate BMW convertibles :D.
 
tibby.dude said:
Yeah people like Dr Owen Horwood and Barend Du Plessis ... they were really good finance ministers unlike Trevor ... in fact we can thank uncle Trevor for his good leadership on finance for giving us those low interest rate BMW convertibles :D.
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Yeah cos the bmw convertible is SA's national car.
 
Bageloo said:
Eish Bobby, we have already established that these are meant to recognise contributions to society in general not to academia as such.
Irvin Khoza the owner of Orlando Pirates and Chariman of 2010 company was also honoured a while back. I also don't think he had anything to do with institutions of higher learning prior to that. But he played a pivotal role in bringing the world cup to SA.
Zuma also played a vital role in bringing about peace in KwazuluNatal and Burundi. Granted he has made some stupid mistakes but that should not vilify all the good work he has done.
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This is all true.

However, the original argument was that he is not qualified enough to do the job he is doing, which is the strictest terms remains to be completely true.
 
Gothan said:
in my first year I got 4 distinctions out of 5, and guess what, the bank did not want to give me a student loan???!!!!
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I doubt it was because you were white mate, i had 4 HG distinctions in matric and I still couldn't secure a loan.And I'm not white,FYI.
 
tibby.dude said:
Yeah people like Dr Owen Horwood and Barend Du Plessis ... they were really good finance ministers unlike Trevor ... in fact we can thank uncle Trevor for his good leadership on finance for giving us those low interest rate BMW convertibles :D.
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Yeah we pay more for our cars than anywhere else in the world.
 
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