"AA here to stay" - Trevor Manuel

Bageloo said:
That's exactly what AA is seeking to do. Ensuring that those who otherwise would not have been given chances, are actually given those chances. Descrimination against blacks by whites still happens today. There are so many exposes on 3rd degree varying from white people not wanting to let property to black people and hotels claiming they are fully booked as soon as they realise it's a black person etc. Apartheid instilled amongst whites the notion that a black person is not good enough.
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Granted.

In my opinion if you are not good enough for a certain job, then someone who is should be given the job ahead of you. And by not good enough, I mean qualified.
 
hj2k_x said:
In my opinion, I would rather have the best qualified person doing his or her job. For me, that ensures the best and fairest outcome both economic and otherwise.

It is essential that everyone has the chance to be in a position to be able to be the best person for a particular job. Achieving this is the problem in this country.
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And how would you achieive it Mr Minister?
 
JK8 said:
And how would you achieive it Mr Minister?
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As a citizen of this democratic country it is my right and duty to express my opinion about topical issues, which I am doing.

It is not my duty to try to fix them. If I feel something unjust is taking place I will most certainly speak out against it, but I am under no obligation whatsoever to try to propose a solution.
 
hj2k_x said:
As a citizen of this democratic country it is my right and duty to express my opinion about topical issues, which I am doing.

It is not my duty to try to fix them. If I feel something unjust is taking place I will most certainly speak out against it, but I am under no obligation whatsoever to try to propose a solution.
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You cant just say hes not good enough without substantiating it or providing a solution.:rolleyes:
 
JK8 said:
Kindly elaborate?
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Mr Manuel matriculated from Harold Cressy High School in Cape Town and completed a national diploma in civil and structural engineering. Not exactly anything to do with Economics is it?
 
BobbyMac said:
Mr Manuel matriculated from Harold Cressy High School in Cape Town and completed a national diploma in civil and structural engineering. Not exactly anything to do with Economics is it?
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Link?
 
Bageloo said:
That's exactly what AA is seeking to do. Ensuring that those who otherwise would not have been given chances, are actually given those chances.
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Simultaneously ensuring that others are denied such chances purely on the basis of their race.

AA, BEE, BBEE, BBBEEEEEE ( or whatever the latest is ) are all discriminatory policies because... er ... they discriminate by race!
 
I can bearly type yet i am an above average adminstrator. what you trying to say? Someone gave me a chance and i have blossomed into the position i am today!
 
PDropa said:
I can bearly type yet i am an above average adminstrator. what you trying to say? Someone gave me a chance and i have blossomed into the position i am today!
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Cool. Let's make you Minister of Foreign Affairs.
 
BobbyMac said:
Mr Manuel matriculated from Harold Cressy High School in Cape Town and completed a national diploma in civil and structural engineering. Not exactly anything to do with Economics is it?
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This I did not know. Interesting.

*googles
 
hj2k_x said:
Granted.

In my opinion if you are not good enough for a certain job, then someone who is should be given the job ahead of you. And by not good enough, I mean qualified.
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Now we are getting somewhere. If you factor out human nature, i.e bias, prejudice, discrimination, favourtism, nepotism, corruption, etc. that is a perfect statement for us to live by. But we live with the reality of these horrible human traits.
 
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Bageloo said:
Now we are getting somewhere. If you factor out human nature, i.e bias, prejudice, discrimination, favourtism, nepotism, corruption, etc. that is a perfect statement for us to leave by. But we live with the reality of these horrible human traits.
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But when we can eliminate some of them rather than promote them, then we should.
 
All that I would love to see 30 years from now are new companies that was or will be founded sometime in the near future that reaches the economic power of some of the larger companies in SA today. But these companies shouldn't be related to the government. Looking forward to see it. Not impossible.
 
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