"AA here to stay" - Trevor Manuel

Bageloo said:
15 years from now, we might not even have AA anymore. AA is still needed today but 15 years from now is a long time, alot might have changed by then including the gvt itself.
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Then why was there no sunset clause from the outset?
 
hj2k_x said:
This is an extremely important and seems to be too difficult for many to grasp.

There is still a difference between acting democratically and doing what is right and what is the best thing to do.
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Exactly, protection of minorities is a cornerstone of most civilised democracies.
 
Syndyre said:
Then why was there no sunset clause from the outset?
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Exactly. There has been no deadline set for the end of AA. Government needs to define a point in the future that they believe the inequalities have been rectified.

If non-whites are prepared to raise a generation of people happy to get by on skin colour alone then there is an issue to be sorted out because it can only result in more inequality.

tibby and Bageloo: It is clear to me that you support skin colour and not morals, ethics, principles and general civility. I class you with all the misguided Zuma, Winnie Mandela, Mugabe, etc supporters whose motives are so blatantly obvious.
 
Syndyre said:
Exactly, protection of minorities is a cornerstone of most civilised democracies.
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Read all the words you have used.:D
Iwojima said:
Exactly. There has been no deadline set for the end of AA. Government needs to define a point in the future that they believe the inequalities have been rectified.

If non-whites are prepared to raise a generation of people happy to get by on skin colour alone then there is an issue to be sorted out because it can only result in more inequality.

tibby and Bageloo: It is clear to me that you support skin colour and not morals, ethics, principles and general civility. I class you with all the misguided Zuma, Winnie Mandela, Mugabe, etc supporters whose motives are so blatantly obvious.
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This is the crunch of the new Affirmative Apartheid. The way things are going, it will be a very long time before it ends. Pupils today are struggling a lot with some of the key subjects. To me, this is odd, because you don't need high-technology to study MATHS. People have been learning it on slates for goodness sake. All you need is an exam pad and a good text book and away you go. So the problem appears to be much deeper.

The government also doesn't spend a lot on education. They would rather reduce the standards required to pass, it seems.

The more these problems remain, the longer AA will be with us. AA benefits the ANC voter, so where is the incentive to call a halt to it??
 
Iwojima said:
Exactly. There has been no deadline set for the end of AA. Government needs to define a point in the future that they believe the inequalities have been rectified.
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That is entirely dependant on the pace of transformation. The slower the pace, the longer it takes for us to achieve equality.


Iwojima said:
If non-whites are prepared to raise a generation of people happy to get by on skin colour alone then there is an issue to be sorted out because it can only result in more inequality.
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No one ever said anything about getting by on skin colour aolne.
Affirmative action measures are measures designed to ensure that suitably qualified people from designated groups have equal employment opportunities and are equitably represented in all occupational categories and levels in the workforce of a designated employer..."
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Iwojima said:
tibby and Bageloo: It is clear to me that you support skin colour and not morals, ethics, principles and general civility. I class you with all the misguided Zuma, Winnie Mandela, Mugabe, etc supporters whose motives are so blatantly obvious.
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Wrong. I don't support skin colour. I support equality. Something you perhaps are still trying to block even today.

What are Zuma and Winnie's motives?
 
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Bageloo said:
Wrong. I don't support skin colour. I support equality. Something you perhaps are still trying to block even today.

What are Zuma and Winnie's motives.
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Apartheid did not support equality.

Affirmative Action does not support equality.
 
VJB 449 said:
Because getting stuff for free is nice, why close the door on it? People in Africa don't like to work for stuff if you can get it for free.
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No one is getting stuff for free. I'm very qualified for this job that I'm doing. If there was no affirmative action, I would have been overlooked in favour of a white person who could have been even less qualified than myself.
 
Bageloo said:
No one is getting stuff for free. I'm very qualified for this job that I'm doing. If there was no affirmative action, I would have been overlooked in favour of a white person who could have been even less qualified than myself.
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Untrue. Completely untrue
 
hj2k_x said:
Apartheid did not support equality.

Affirmative Action does not support equality.
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Apartheid perpetuated inequality. Affirmative action is seeking to reddress that inequality. At the moment we are not equal. We can't just carry on as if it's business as usual.
 
Bageloo said:
Apartheid perpetuated inequality. Affirmative action is seeking to reddress that inequality. At the moment we are not equal. We can't just carry on as if it's business as usual.
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Affirmative Action is seeking to perpetuate that inequality now, not redress it.
 
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