Academics 'queuing to quit SA'

SweetFennyAdams said:
I’m one of those leaving.
Job secured abroad and visas issued.
Just waiting to flog my property and I'm off.

Four of the seven senior academics in my department are doing the same.
The majority of SA students today are no longer worthy of my time and effort.
I'm going to teach where my input is appreciated and where people want to uplift themselves.
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My aunt is an English teacher. BA Ed with Masters. Shes currently quite fed up with the current educational setup and will likely look abroad.

Single and divorced kids are married and settled so perfect conditions to explore the world.

What do you teach and what will be the first step toward exploring international avenues?
 
Can I make a prediction here: SA will not obtain junk status. Universities will remain the best on the continent, quality of life will improve. The wealth gap will remain. Crime rates will improve, Zuma will leave office. Zim 2.0 is a dream as much as the "nag van die lang messe"
 
Vegeta said:
I think I'll turn the lights off once everyone is gone, someone has to do it. I'll go when the eish hit the fan, no sooner.

Not that i can't go my wife and I both have post grads. I just want to make sure there is no pulse before I go.
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When there is no pulse, you’re already dead. (figuratively speaking)
No country will grant you immigration status in a hurry in that case, educated or not.

The way most foreign embassies of 1st world nations work is they are given a quota of immigrants they may process in a year.

This means that even if they have people who qualify today, they must wait in the queue until their number comes up.

Queues for South Africans are getting longer and longer as more and more people apply for permanent residence visas.

For instance, Australia currently has a three to four year waiting list. Canada has a 18-month to two year waiting list.

As more and more people leave SA, which WILL HAPPEN, the queues will become even more longer.

When the pulse is dead, the queues will be so long, you will run the real risk of waiting for ever, or never being able to leave. Each person leaving means they have either closed a business which paid tax and employed people, or they were gainfully employed tax-payers.

There are only 3.2 million tax-payers in SA, a country with close to 56 million people. These tax-payers are generally those with higher education, own businesses, and who are the ones looking abroad.

Then the geese who lay the golden eggs take fight, there is less life-supporting blood in the system.

Think about that.
 
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Vegeta said:
Can I make a prediction here: SA will not obtain junk status. Universities will remain the best on the continent, quality of life will improve. The wealth gap will remain. Crime rates will improve, Zuma will leave office. Zim 2.0 is a dream as much as the "nag van die lang messe"
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Positive thinking level 1000000
 
Vegeta said:
Can I make a prediction here: SA will not obtain junk status. Universities will remain the best on the continent, quality of life will improve. The wealth gap will remain. Crime rates will improve, Zuma will leave office. Zim 2.0 is a dream as much as the "nag van die lang messe"
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Plan for the worse and hope for the best. You should definitely stock up on beans and canned fish just incase.
 
SweetFennyAdams said:
Think about that.
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I was hoping Botswana or Namibia would be so kind to let me eat some scraps off their table. One can only have hope i guess.

I will make you guys a i told you so thread when we don't get downgraded okay?
 
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Vegeta said:
Whats going to happen when it's too late? Not trolling im serious? I have no idea what to expect.
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Vegeta said:
People have been saying that for 25 years, almost my entire life. All i want to know is when? When will this eutopia arrive?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_Zimbabwe

The kind of thing we're all anticipating will happen basically overnight. You''ll wake up one day after the machinations of Zuma's plans have taken hold and see the currency spiralling out of control. One minute it'll be $20 to the rand, the next it could be $25. I've only heard personal retellings of the day hyperinflation hit Zimbabwe in a big way, and the people who told me about it described the sheer terror of not being able to do anything, and having no backup plan and no money to buy anything because suddenly a loaf of bread was R100.

SARS and the Treasury mentioned a nuclear option to protect themselves if Zuma tried to take hold of them. If it comes to this, that's the kind of day we're going to have. Rock bottom, spiralling prices, debt racking up, and limited trading on the stock exchange while things sort themselves out. All to take down Zuma and his cronies, which the ANC could have done long ago if they had a spine at all.
 
As someone that left 6 months ago to make a better life in Denmark, I have to say that they stuff that you view as normal in South Africa is far from normal. I believe that the writing is on the wall, and also having kids made it a very easy choice for me to leave, my wife and I were both paying very high taxes every month and that is now lost to the government, and yes I put my money where my mouth is, I will not fund a corrupt dysfunctional government with no plan of making a better life for the many as opposed to the better life for themselves. About 30% of my department has emigrated in the last 6 months, all high tax paying individuals, at one point the system will break because there won't be enough money to pay off the masses.

It is your prerogative to stay and I really wish you the best, but I have decided that I cannot and will not be part of a system that is completely broken. The question that you have to ask yourself is simple, when is it enough? Maybe South Africa won't attain junk status, my thinking is that you are delusional if you think this, but the bottom line is that your buying power just went down hugely due an incompetent fool and his greed and you have masses burning and pillaging. Thanks, but I would rather not be funding this behaviour.

And Yes, I know that you are going to say thanks and don't let the door hit you on the way out, we don't need you, the sad truth is that South Africa needs more tax payers and the ones that are paying the big numbers are leaving.
 
CataclysmZA said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_Zimbabwe

The kind of thing we're all anticipating will happen basically overnight. You''ll wake up one day after the machinations of Zuma's plans have taken hold and see the currency spiralling out of control. One minute it'll be $20 to the rand, the next it could be $25. I've only heard personal retellings of the day hyperinflation hit Zimbabwe in a big way, and the people who told me about it described the sheer terror of not being able to do anything, and having no backup plan and no money to buy anything because suddenly a loaf of bread was R100.

SARS and the Treasury mentioned a nuclear option to protect themselves if Zuma tried to take hold of them. If it comes to this, that's the kind of day we're going to have. Rock bottom, spiralling prices, debt racking up, and limited trading on the stock exchange while things sort themselves out. All to take down Zuma and his cronies, which the ANC could have done long ago if they had a spine at all.
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This official announcement by the Director-General of the National Treasury today spells it out clearly for us.

http://www.iol.co.za/business/news/sa-must-do-more-with-less-2078977

When junk status is declared soon, all hell is going to start breaking loose.
 
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SweetFennyAdams said:
This official announcement by the Director-General of the National Treasury today spells it out clearly for us.

http://www.iol.co.za/business/news/sa-must-do-more-with-less-2078977

When junk status is declared, all hell is going to start breaking loose.
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Hell will probably not break lose even when we go junk. The risk is more political though, in that the ANC may adopt crazy populist economic policies to try cling onto power. Junk will come and go, when the world's economy recovers we'll recover with it and life will continue on.
 
R13... said:
Hell will probably not break lose even when we go junk. The risk is more political though, in that the ANC may adopt crazy populist economic policies to try cling onto power. Junk will come and go, when the world's economy recovers we'll recover with it and life will continue on.
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If you have no reserves, a mountain for foreign debt, junk economics, fewer people paying taxes and no political will to fix the fundamentals, junk status is where we will stay.

The world might move on, we wont.
 
iblade said:
As someone that left 6 months ago to make a better life in Denmark, I have to say that they stuff that you view as normal in South Africa is far from normal. I believe that the writing is on the wall, and also having kids made it a very easy choice for me to leave, my wife and I were both paying very high taxes every month and that is now lost to the government, and yes I put my money where my mouth is, I will not fund a corrupt dysfunctional government with no plan of making a better life for the many as opposed to the better life for themselves. About 30% of my department has emigrated in the last 6 months, all high tax paying individuals, at one point the system will break because there won't be enough money to pay off the masses.

It is your prerogative to stay and I really wish you the best, but I have decided that I cannot and will not be part of a system that is completely broken. The question that you have to ask yourself is simple, when is it enough? Maybe South Africa won't attain junk status, my thinking is that you are delusional if you think this, but the bottom line is that your buying power just went down hugely due an incompetent fool and his greed and you have masses burning and pillaging. Thanks, but I would rather not be funding this behaviour.

And Yes, I know that you are going to say thanks and don't let the door hit you on the way out, we don't need you, the sad truth is that South Africa needs more tax payers and the ones that are paying the big numbers are leaving.
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The thing is though maybe people cant go for whatever reason.

I think i am educated, but I aint a Doctor, Teacher or engineer - those kind of professions
 
Vegeta said:
People have been saying that for 25 years, almost my entire life. All i want to know is when? When will this eutopia arrive?
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:D True

SA problems have been piling up linearly for many years and at some stage we will reach a peak critical state. Beyond the peak-critical state, there are various possible economic scenarios depending on the series of events that triggered the critical state.

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I personally think 'series of events' versus 'state of economic' graph will apply to SA. Question is when are we going to reach the critical state and which form the country's economy will take post critical state.
 
The funny thing is that I don't have a degree at all, I work in IT for one of the big companies and took a position in Denmark. There are many ways to solve the problem, even if you are a blue collar worker a lot of the countries make it very easy.

Ironically enough here the pay disparity is very small and I still find it very strange that someone who sweeps the streets for a living has his hair cut at the same place I do, that my friend is what South Africa should be aiming for.
 
dlk001 said:
:D True

SA problems have been piling up linearly for many years and at some stage we will reach a peak critical state. Beyond the peak-critical state, there are various possible economic scenarios depending on the series of events that triggered the critical state.

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I personally think 'series of events' versus 'state of economic' graph will apply to SA. Question is when are we going to reach the critical state and which form the country's economy will take post critical state.
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December is when the rating agencies tell the rest of the world we are no longer a country good to invest in.

Economic decay will accelerate at that point.

The resulting social evils which escalate will be proportional to the rate of economic decay, and visa versa.

This has the potential to set off a particularity viscous negative spiral (economically, socially and politically), and will be almost will impossible to break without some form of coup.
 
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dlk001 said:
I personally think 'series of events' versus 'state of economic' graph will apply to SA. Question is when are we going to reach the critical state and which form the country's economy will take post critical state.
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Well i think it's coming within the next 1.5 yrs.. gf and I are in the process of deciding where we will be moving to (fortunate with professions being in demand globally) but whats fascinating for me is that the final nail in the coffin is the recent spate with students i.e. if students feel so entitled right now, imagine what awaits us in 3-4yrs time when they realize that there is not much work out there and the few u get for a grad pays crappy to start.

So yah..I was planning on only deciding what to do just after anc council meetings and then leaving national election time.. we now thinking end of next year might be the right time to make an exodus.
 
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