Activists strike back

The telecom activists have their critics. Icasa chairman Paris Mashile says they tend to lobby only on sophisticated services, which only a few people can afford, rather than campaigning for broadening telecom services.
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Well we are sorry that you are shafting the poor ppl so much that they cannot even visit the MyADSL forums! :mad:
 
That quote from Mashile is a load of BS and he knows it. If we can make the sophisticated services cheaper, then the basic services will have to become cheaper as well! A sort of 'rising tide floats all boats' but in reverse.
 
The telecom activists have their critics. Icasa chairman Paris Mashile says they tend to lobby only on sophisticated services, which only a few people can afford, rather than campaigning for broadening telecom services.
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Think he's talking out the wrong hole....

Correct me if I am wrong but we have lobbied for reductions in interconnects and SAT-3 prices both of which affect the cost price of the services that everyone uses.

And if pricing for the really sophisticated services - like diginet - came down then there would be far more bandwidth to go round and things like cellphones (that just about every person in this country use) would be cheaper.
 
Icasa chairman Paris Mashile says they tend to lobby only on sophisticated services, which only a few people can afford, rather than campaigning for broadening telecom services.
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Useless twit. The whole idea is to make it cheaper so that more people can afford it and to get our country out of the dark ages! Paris should do us all a favor and resign immediately. He is an incompetent fool.
 
The telecom activists have their critics. Icasa chairman Paris Mashile says they tend to lobby only on sophisticated services, which only a few people can afford, rather than campaigning for broadening telecom services.
Thanks for nothing Mr. Mashile, so what exactly have you done to protect the consumer and "broaden" telecom services to the public anyway. Oh sorry I forgot - you aren't paid to protect the public and see that we are treated fairly by the telecoms monopolies. No according to you, our broadband costs and telecom services are definitely not out of kilter with the REST OF THE WORLD so why do you even need to campaign to lower those same said telecom services if according to you thay are in line with international standards, no Mr. Mashile the telecoms landscape in South Africa is not an international embarrassment ...no not at all you over-paid under-worked government puppet!

I can already see the headlines "Come and invest in South Africa - you can even make cheap phone calls...sorry the internet is so slow and horrendously expensive but we feel basic telecoms services are more importatnt than what the rest of the world deems important"...grrrr:mad:
 
The telecom activists have their critics. Icasa chairman Paris Mashile says they tend to lobby only on sophisticated services, which only a few people can afford, rather than campaigning for broadening telecom services.
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Arrrrggggg :mad: :mad: :mad: what part of dropping the price of ADSL does the incompetent Paris Mashile not understand? - if Paris ever bothered to do his own job and sort out Telkodemonopolies' exorbitant pricing and make sure that Telkodemonopolies actually provides its services to the majority of South Africans [instead of milking the few], then South Africa would be much better off, but this is obviously too much to expect from Paris.
 
VJB 449 said:
Useless twit. The whole idea is to make it cheaper so that more people can afford it and to get our country out of the dark ages! Paris should do us all a favor and resign immediately. He is an incompetent fool.
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L- for LOSER
 
A few deacdes ago cheap electricy was key secure investment into the country now it is chaep telecoms. For Paris's benefit I'll put it in simple terms investment = jobs for ANC voters.
 
Pilgrim said:
Well we are sorry that you are shafting the poor ppl so much that they cannot even visit the MyADSL forums! :mad:
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Flattered we are that MyADSL Forums are sophisticated... Also you'll find they are FREE. Once you get onto the internet of course...
 
It looks like a certain mister Richard Hurst from BMI-T has suddenly changed his views on the telecom situation in SA. When asked,on morning live this morning, about the role of the government in creating a more competitive environment he said (paraphrase) :The government has done enough to stimulate competion. They have licenced 3 mobile operators and Neotel...Can you believe this man...Felt like kicking his teeth in through the TV screen
 
The telecom activists have their critics. Icasa chairman Paris Mashile says they tend to lobby only on sophisticated services, which only a few people can afford, rather than campaigning for broadening telecom services.
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I think that we have clearly got under his skin. Lets keep the pressure up.
 
Skip said:
That quote from Mashile is a load of BS and he knows it. If we can make the sophisticated services cheaper, then the basic services will have to become cheaper as well! A sort of 'rising tide floats all boats' but in reverse.
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Except for the mere fact that the "in reverse" part is impossible, good point. ;)
 
The telecom activists have their critics. Icasa chairman Paris Mashile says they tend to lobby only on sophisticated services, which only a few people can afford, rather than campaigning for broadening telecom services.
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1. One tend to lobby for something that either the governing body isn't aware of, or fails to see the need for.
2. Clearly Chairman Mashile is aware of the need to BROADEN telecom services to the poor. That goes without saying. The President has spoken about it. Even minister Ivy mentions it all the time.

The question remains. Why isn't Chairman Mashile doing something about it? Must everything be a fricken struggle? Why can't something simply be left to common sense and just sorted out? IDIOT! :mad:
 
The telecom activists have their critics. Icasa chairman Paris Mashile says they tend to lobby only on sophisticated services, which only a few people can afford, rather than campaigning for broadening telecom services.
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Do you have a solution Paris or is easy to critisize the good guys? In all honesty don't you think we're trying to achieve what you get paid to do (and you're not doing- that's the point)? Show us your campaigne, maybe we can follow you!
 
Paris, if Broadband was priced as it is oversees, most people struggling with dial up access would have used it. In fact what Telkom's port shaping and bad service and pricing has caused is a situation where only sophisticated users can use it.

But if you regulated properly, internet access via broadband would have been like buying your local newspaper to most people. Why is that a technology that is ages old should be sophisticated.? Maybe being chairman of Icasa is too challenging a job for you and Telkom should put Paris in charge of hand exchanges? instead of trying to regulate a market with rapid change
 
telkomsuig said:
A few deacdes ago cheap electricy was key secure investment into the country now it is chaep telecoms. For Paris's benefit I'll put it in simple terms investment = jobs for ANC voters.
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After Wednesday we will also appreciate anybody that CAN supply electricity.
Maybe we should enter a buy back our own agreement with Zimbabwe and pay more for the electricity we supply them to supply our own
 
If he were doing his job properly we wouldn't have to lobby in the first place.
 
Mr Mashile, how would you know what people are lobbying for? Have you actually read any of the public submissions to ICASA that us 'activists' have made? One example- Did you bother to read the ADSL hearing transcripts, since you were not there at the time?

Another 8 calls to ICASA today went unanswered. The ninth call at least got answered. But then I get the usual excuses "Paris is in a meeting, call back at 12:30". I call back at 12:30 and guess what? Another "meeting". You will not speak to us Mr Mashile, for a year I have tried... your staff constantly refuse to put me through to you, sometimes even hanging up on me.... you will not return my messages or calls... You will not speak with us on the issues... and then you think it's acceptable to go and make stuff up to the media. Your behaviour as a 'leader' is not acceptable.

For the record, although I am a part of Antitrust and have made a substantial contribution to Antitrust, I do not head up Antitrust.
 
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