Addiction advice thread

[blunomore]

Those are just flithy people lol. I never smell bad I got good cologne and I smoke a brand that doesnt stink too much. I use a targuard to prevent yellow staining as well. You never smoke in a closed area always outside :/ or if you got the smoking section to yourself in a restuarant, never sit on a packed smoking section.

Smoking dulls your sense of smell.

You are thus at this stage unable to pick up your own bad smell. It is revolting when people try to kill the smell of smoke with perfume.

 

[RiaX]

You cant pick up your own scent anyways, thats why half the people dont realise they stink because they sweat like pigs and they refuse to use decent products.

Not to mention the morons that go swimming and dont shower and walk around the malls, geez you can smell them a mile away :O

 

[Sherbang]

So you dont use cologne ? that should be a must whether you smoke or not :/

:wtf:You're a marketers dream aren't you? Sucker born every minute lol

 

[RiaX]

:wtf:You're a marketers dream aren't you? Sucker born every minute lol

huh?

 

[mooks]

The real reason not to do drugs is because...

not the degrading of health
not the expenses of money
not the ****ed up **** it puts you through

the real reason is because nothing can compare to the high you get

after doing drugs nothing will ever make you feel that good. Your life will be dull forever.

Yeah you can go skydiving
yeah you can **** the hottest bitch you know

but in the back your mind you'll be going, ehhh you know what would make this better? if I was on x drug.

that's the real reason.

speed at 300 km/h
get pumped at the gym
take half a jar of viagra and **** the **** out of the hottest girl you love.

it wont compare. not even close

that's the real reason

is that once you quit, you are disatisfied with life.

The only thing I feel will never be the same again is the sex. Other than that, I could not disagree with you more.

The initial few months (year or two for some I suppose) will leave you grappling with the belief that somehow things are less exciting now. That somehow you as a person are less interesting. The reality though, is that there is a combination of things taking place. In no particular order, and not limited to:
1, it’s uncomfortable to have to drop that ‘druggy arrogance’ that a lot of addicts have.
2, to have to redefine your identity and who you’ve considered yourself to be for such a long time is hard (chances are also, if you started young, that you view/ed non-users as boring and normal-or was that just me ) is incredibly hard and very far outside of your usual comfort zone.
3, the likelihood is quite high that your emotional maturity is somewhat stunted as growing up becomes nigh impossible if you’re high all day every day. This means you are automatically and immediately faced with situations that you’ve never had to deal with, with a sober mind, before. And that is ****ing scary.
4, your whole body/brain chemistry is out of whack.
5, you are realizing that life is kak hard sober. More so because you are probably trying to mend relationships with loved ones, get your work life back on track, find a social group that is safe and yet still interesting, and simultaneously struggle with your own internal urges to indulge in your DoC again.

I found the hardest thing was accepting that simple pleasures are just as rewarding. But, I was so shattered after the mess my life became and the situations that arose that encouraged me to clean up that it was a relief to do normal things.

Don’t mourn the loss of one lifestyle. Celebrate the opportunity to embrace a stable, more sustainable form of happiness. In the long run this is exponentially more rewarding (admittedly addicts are never ones for patience and delayed gratification, but it’s worth the effort).


I love my life now. I'm not pathologically moody anymore, I have real relationships with people, family, friends and I do things for myself. It would be a shame if a struggling addict read this thread looking for hope and walked away with the fear that they will be unhappy for the rest of their lives.

 

[azbob]

The only thing I feel will never be the same again is the sex.

Please elaborate :erm:

 

[mooks]

Please elaborate :erm:

Yes and no.

Yes: I used to take a drug that originally hit the market as a sex drug in the 80's-ish. The sex on that drug is like nothing I have ever experienced and I am pretty much 100% certain that it will never be that intense ever again.

No: I'm not going into details.

 

[RiaX]

What was the name of the drug?

 

[syntax]

Yes and no.

Yes: I used to take a drug that originally hit the market as a sex drug in the 80's-ish. The sex on that drug is like nothing I have ever experienced and I am pretty much 100% certain that it will never be that intense ever again.

No: I'm not going into details.

Sex for me on most narcotics was not the easiest...but the intimacy was out of this world. almost indescribable, and I definitely miss that

 

[mooks]

What was the name of the drug?

It would be unbelievably irresponsible for me to tell you that after this conversation. All it would take is one young buck with an adventurous side to read this thread and say 'hey, yeah, I'll try that, that sounds like fun'. It literally only took a few months before I lost my mind so badly that it took months in psychiatric hospitals to come right again. Not to mention all the fun and games that go with addiction.

Sex for me on most narcotics was not the easiest...but the intimacy was out of this world. almost indescribable, and I definitely miss that

Yeah, with any other drug that was the case for me too. Not with this one though. Def not with this one. Not worth it though.

 

[Wikkels88]

I smoke a brand that doesnt stink too much.

Haha I smoked for many years, and also smoked a couple of brands I thought didn't stink so much, quit for almost 2 years now, and all I can say is, when someone just had a smoke and stands next to me in a lift for example, I'm not able to tell what brand they smoked, normally just try and hold my breath and not breath because of the revolting smell, and inside of my mind I'm jumping with joy that I'm not in the same boat anymore

 

[RiaX]

lolol fair enough but I shall save myself later with champix

 

[killadoob]

Guys i have a g/f that is a CAT addict and has been for the last 10 years but she has moved back to jhb and i nailed a few grams with her a few weeks ago and it was chilled because i can do it once in a while, anyways her mom phones me today and tells me she was swallowing white tablets but i had just been involved in a hit and run with a truck so i was busy and someone else drove 150km's to help her.

I live close and her mom asked if i could help another problem arise and this girl has lost job after job and is so badly addicted she keeps losing her jobs because she cannot make it to work but i know she is looking for attention, she has no money and she is using this to get people to come over and get her drugs.

I want to ignore her but her mother is not well and we have known each other for 15 years.

Now i know anyone who really wanted to kill themselves would not stuff tablets down their throat as the success rate is low and this girl won't stop. She is stealing from her mom, blaming everyone else because she keeps fking up her job.

How do i help the mother and how do i help my friend? She doesn't want help but she is making our lives hell. When do i smash some lines with her i try and get her to commit to quitting but she refuses. I would say she is going through about 2-3 grams a day when she has the money, sometimes 5 or more if she has a job that is paying pretty well.

I am really not keen getting involved in this BS because i know she is manipulating people to get her fix. Sorry for the long post but yea that is the story.

O another scary thing is she is beginning to rack up debt with dealers which is always bad.

 

[syntax]

This is tough man, as you probably know, if she doesn't want to stop, she isn't going to.
When was the last time she was clean for more than 3 days. Using that much and that often has probably changed her mind set and perception of things. She needs that stuff out of her for a few days so she can havea few clean thoughts. Otherwise she is just going to keep thinking of getting loaded.

When you both had, did she mention she was unhappy or wanted to stop? Did she have any kind of heart to heart with you during that time that you can try use to help?

The swallowing pills thing can be a possible good thing, it might mean she is seriously unhappy with her lifestyle And would possibly be receptive to a change, however, as you know it could be more manipulation bs.

It sounds like she is on the point where its going to be a serious issue, either with the police or with a dealer. But if she really doesn't want to change then I'm not sure what to say....you can possibly try get her somewhere where she will be forced to be clean for a few days. Then try talk rationally And hope she sees that this lifestyle is not for her.

At the moment, trying to convince her when she is buzzing or even just come down is pointless.

 

[RiaX]

You can't help those who d0nt want to help themselves

 

[Sensorei]

As long as people keep helping this crazy chick out she will never hit her rock bottom and really accept that she needs to stop. It is enabling her to continue her manipulation and blame game.

 

[Sherbang]

You can't help those who d0nt want to help themselves

Can you help them reach a point where they want to help themselves?

 

[mooks]

Guys i have a g/f that is a CAT addict and has been for the last 10 years but she has moved back to jhb and i nailed a few grams with her a few weeks ago and it was chilled because i can do it once in a while, anyways her mom phones me today and tells me she was swallowing white tablets but i had just been involved in a hit and run with a truck so i was busy and someone else drove 150km's to help her.

Using with someone you know is an addict is a pretty bad idea, especially if you want to help her. No addict is gonna take someone seriously if they know they use too. ESPECIALLY if that addict is in denial about their addiction (or even the degree of their addiction). By using with her, you are enabling her.

This is tough man, as you probably know, if she doesn't want to stop, she isn't going to.
When was the last time she was clean for more than 3 days. Using that much and that often has probably changed her mind set and perception of things. She needs that stuff out of her for a few days so she can havea few clean thoughts. Otherwise she is just going to keep thinking of getting loaded.

It takes a helluva lot longer than a few days to start thinking even remotely 'cleanly'. In fact, it was my experience that my resolve was weakest and my justifications to keep using were in total and complete over drive in the first few week while I tried to clean up.

 

[syntax]

It takes a helluva lot longer than a few days to start thinking even remotely 'cleanly'. In fact, it was my experience that my resolve was weakest and my justifications to keep using were in total and complete over drive in the first few week while I tried to clean up.

Maybe you mis understood my meaning. By clean thoughts I meant when you are have stopped, come down, slept properly and that mentality you have when you are high is gone. Of course you are still going to want, and most likely want badly after that kind of use. But its one of the few times I felt I listened properly to someone talking to me. I didn't dismiss because I was in that far away from the real world mentality. At this point, she can either show some kind of indication that she wants to try get better, or she will just carry on busines as usual.

If she isn't interested, its going to be near impossible. But from my experience, you need to have a talk during a time like that.

Maybe other peple are different, this is just what I experienced

 

[mooks]

Maybe you mis understood my meaning. By clean thoughts I meant when you are have stopped, come down, slept properly and that mentality you have when you are high is gone. Of course you are still going to want, and most likely want badly after that kind of use. But its one of the few times I felt I listened properly to someone talking to me. I didn't dismiss because I was in that far away from the real world mentality. At this point, she can either show some kind of indication that she wants to try get better, or she will just carry on busines as usual.

If she isn't interested, its going to be near impossible. But from my experience, you need to have a talk during a time like that.

Maybe other peple are different, this is just what I experienced

Fair enough. i can see how that would work for many in that situation... I had gone certifiably dippy from the drugs though, so perhaps that's why I couldn't understand reason during that period

(in fairness though, I've never been particularly good at these things like reason, logic and rational thought )