ADSL and Lightning

booya30

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My connection always cuts just as lightning strikes, would this be a problem with the DSLAM or is it just the norm?

Anyone experiencing this too?

I'm using Afrihost and Axxess Local if that's any help
 
get a surge protector

how do i test if mine still works? does the fact my router still connects serve as testimony that it is fine?
 
Definitely not the norm (for me anyway). Have you tried searching the forum. This question has probably been answered before
 
get a surge protector

I'm getting one next week, after all the stories of busted Modems I've read on mybb... I usually unplug the modem when there are storms (which is very frequently :()

Could anyone recommend a good brand for surge protection?
 
Lost 2 ports and wireless on my modem and one on my PC, that with a surge protector inline, which is still fine. I am disconnecting when the weather is getting bad, just to be safe.
 
I've lost two modems due to strikes.

First one destroyed my modem and cordless phone base unit.

Second one hit my electric fence (breaking the wires), destroying the gate motor
battery charger, cordless phone base unit, modem, and my firewall (PC).

I resorted to cutting down an extremely tall fir tree in my front yard which seemed to attract the lightning. I have surge protection on my phone line, a surge arrestor on the RJ45 link between my modem and firewall, and surge arrestor plugs on all my equipment.

I also unplug my phone line during storms (assuming I'm home). So far so good.


If you're online while there's lightning about, you're playing with fire - literally. :p
 
I had something similar happen to me..

I stayed in the front room of the house, which looks out towards our driveway gate that's on an electric motor. One night I was jamming BF 2 online when I saw lightening strike the gate, which proceeded in me jumping out of my chair very quickly. The gate is about 5 meters away from the window.

After that, The gate was opening and closing by itself and my screen went all weird. I had small green blocks all over my screen. Think of a chessboard. Tested my PC on another screen, was still doing it. Turns out my ol' 7600GT had been damaged. Luckily it was still under warranty back then.

So yeah, I unplug everything when there's storms about now. Never bothered with it before until my card popped.
 
I'm getting one next week, after all the stories of busted Modems I've read on mybb... I usually unplug the modem when there are storms (which is very frequently :()

Could anyone recommend a good brand for surge protection?

I use a 19,500 amp, 874 Joules Belkin. Pretty good.
 
to be honest i always unplug when there is lightning.
i do not really care what equipment you put in for protection, if there is a direct hit you will have a pile of useless silicone.
ask me i know, have walked this path before.
300 kV is the typical voltage of lightning. so even if it hits your line 5 km away you still going to end up with fried equipment.
but its your money...
 
to be honest i always unplug when there is lightning.
i do not really care what equipment you put in for protection, if there is a direct hit you will have a pile of useless silicone.
Lightning only created those voltages if you try to stop it.

Learn from Franklin in 1752. Lightning seeks earth ground. Because wood is an electrical conductor, lightning struck church steeples. Lightning typically is a 20,000 amp current. Since wood is not an excellent conductor, then 20,000 amps creates a high voltage. 20,000 amps times a high voltage means high energy - and church steeple damage.

Franklin simply intercepted and connected 20,000 amps to earth - lightning rod. The rod does not provide protection. Protection is provided by what the rod connects to. A conductive path so that 20,000 amps creates near zero voltage. 20,000 amps times near zero voltage is near zero energy. No damage. See that? No 300,000 volts. Near zero volts and therefore near zero energy.

That is also what the effective surge protectors do. Make a short (ie 'less than 3 meter') connection to earth. A lightning strike to AC electric wires down the road is a direct strike to household appliances. So we earth ('less than 3 meters') a 'whole house' protector. Lightning no longer seeks earth, destructively via appliances. Even the protector is not damaged.

Protection has always been about where energy is dissipated. Either energy dissipates harmlessly in earth. Of that energy causes damage inside the building. Surge protection from lightning has been standard and well proven for over 100 years. And still some entertain emotions rather than learn facts, numbers, and reality.

A minimally sized 'whole house' protector is 50,000 amps. That is more than sufficient for a typical lightning strike. In regions with more surges (and that can vary significantly even within a town), we earth a 'whole house' protector with higher current ratings. Routine is to earth direct lightning strikes without damage.

But when selling a scam, plug-in protectors can be undersize. A surge too small to overwhelm protection inside an appliance may destroy the grossly undersized power strip protector. Then the naive assume, "My protector sacrificed itself to save my computer." False. First, any protector that fails provides near zero protection. Second, the computer saved itself.

Earth one 'whole house' protector to protect ineffective power strip protectors. Routine is to have direct lightning strikes with no damage. If damage does occur, the responsible homeowner then looks for the defect in his earthing system. Why? Because a protector is only as effective as the thing that provided protection - single point earth ground.
 
I use a 19,500 amp, 874 Joules Belkin. Pretty good.
With no earthing, that Belkin must somehow stop and absorb hundreds of thousands of joules. View its numeric specs. The Belkin does not even claim protection is its specs. Does not matter what the sales brochure claims. No numbers for protection from each type of surge because Belkin does not claim effective protection.

The Belkin will protect from one type of surge. But protection already inside every appliance makes that transient irrelevant.

A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. Where is that 'less than 3 meters' dedicated connection to single point earth ground?

How do you know the Belkin is ineffective. 1) It has no short connection to earth. 2) Belkin will not discuss earthing. Why would Belkin discuss what would only hurt sales?

A protector is only as effective as its earth ground. How does that 2 cm part inside the Belkin stop what three miles of sky could not? It doesn't. So that the Belkin is not destroyed by even smaller surges, you must earth one 'whole house' protector. A protector is only as effective as the thing that provides protection - single point earth ground. Belkin would rather avoid the entire topic to increase sales.
 
I use a 19,500 amp, 874 Joules Belkin. Pretty good.

This is BS.

We have the same set of Belkin mutiplugs and 2 years ago, lightning took out 2 PC one fax one modem all connected to 3 different Belkin plugs. And after the lightning the plugs are still in working order.

And make sure you fill in and submit those insurance claim forms before the lightning, otherwise I don't think you are covered!!
 
what you are talking about is protection to the power supply to the house, the 220 V side of things.
the reality is that telkoms lines are not properly protected and that is where the real damage comes in.
not many people have the proper protection on the telkom side of their routers.
for that you should have a earth spike and a decent surge protector that will cost plenty.
unless you have this installed i suggest unplugging, do NOT rely on those little vapor filled goodies that telkom installed or the ones that came with your adsl modem/router.
 
the reality is that telkoms lines are not properly protected and that is where the real damage comes in.
Most damage is incoming on AC mains. Surges are electricity. AC mains are the most often struck. Surge is electricity flowing from a cloud to earthborne charges. Most common destructive path is incoming on AC mains, through a computer modem or portable phone base station. Then to earth via phone lines. First that current flows through everything. Much later, only something (the weakest link) fails. Most modem, portable phone base stations, fax machines, etc are damaged because current is incoming on AC mains and outgoing on phone line. Both paths must exist to have damage.

Every incoming wire inside every cable must connect to single point earth ground BEFORE entering a building. Any one wire violating that requirement means the entire surge protection 'system' is compromised. Both phone wires must connect to earth via a 'whole house' protector. Every AC electric wire must also connect short to earth either directly (ie neutral) or via a 'whole house' protector.

And every connection must be short to the same earthing electrode. A separate paragraph because wire length (and other similar factors) is so critical.

For example, AC electric enters on one side of a building. A satellite dish enters and is earthed on the other side. Then satellite equipment may be damaged by a surge incoming on AC mains. Surge incoming on AC mains found earth ground destructively via the satellite dish. Again, the both incoming and outgoing path defined.

Do not make an assumption that a majority make. For example, let's assume a surge enters a computer via AC mains; outgoing via modem and phone line. That same surge is also incoming to computer memory. But memory has no outgoing path. Therefore memory cannot be surge damaged no matter how massive that surge. No 'incoming and outgoing paths' means no surge damage.

That incoming and outgoing path is also why a building earth ground must be 'single point'. Surge do not crash on a satellite dish transponder, destroy electronics, then stop. It is electricity. First current is flowing through everything simultaneously in a path from cloud to earth. Long later, something in that path fails - ie the transponder.

Yes, phone lines also require a 'whole house' protector. Something that costs so little as to be installed for free everywhere in North America. In other nations, buy and earth one. But again, the protector is only as effective as its earth ground.

The effective 'whole house' protector costs about $1 per protected appliance. Compare that to ineffective plug-in protectors that cost typically 20 and 100 times more money per appliance. And that do not even claim to provide surge protection. Why do telecoms install a superior 'whole house' protector? Because it also costs significantly less.

Routine is to have direct lightning strikes without damage. What determines whether that can happen? Earth ground. More expensive protectors do nothing to improve protection. Every protector is only as effective as its earth ground. What makes that protector even better? Better earthing. No magic box is protection which is why even the tiniest protector can provide the best protection. It is only as effective as the earth ground it connects to.

Disconnecting is one of the least reliable solutions alongside plug-in protectors. Disconnecting is dependent on one of the least reliable solutions - humans. Effective protectors are always there so that even direct lightning strikes cause no damage. But again, that is true only if humans properly earth every incoming wire.
 
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i do beg to differ.
the damage does come from telkom lines too.
every router uses a isolated step down transformer which separates it from the ac mains and after each loss i have experienced the power supply was not damaged.
use your telephone during a lightning storm and you will hear an occasional clicking, its distant strikes that the phone lines pick up.
these phones do not get their power from ac mains and are still subject to lightning damage.
yes i do not say there is no effective lightning protection just that it is very expensive to implement in the average house hold and does not guarantee against direct hits.
unless you have a proper copper earth mat or 1.2 m earth spike you are wasting your time.
 
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