Affirmative Action

luxe said:
I would prefer we focus on the issue of 91% of South Africa feeding off 9% instead.
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Which South Africa is that? The South Africa I know implements AA, which aims to more fairly distribute the region's wealth that was forcefully usurped and is being hogged by 9% of the country. Meanwhile, some others would prefer the 9% to hold on to their loot, and the other 91% to generate wealth for themselves out of thin air.
 
wayfarer said:
Which South Africa is that? The South Africa I know implements AA, which aims to more fairly distribute the region's wealth that was forcefully usurped and is being hogged by 9% of the country. Meanwhile, some others would prefer the 9% to hold on to their loot, and the other 91% to generate wealth for themselves out of thin air.
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Only a small percentage of that 9% are rich or wealthy, you are as wealthy as most of them, are you rich?
 
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(I will not reply to any further misinformation or faulty arguments about Islam that appears in this thread.)

Now, back to AA. I wish it would no longer be necessary, but as others have said in this thread, it may still be here for quite some time.
 
Say HumanoidTyphoon is a DA supporter with those views about black people, what am I supposed to convince my black brothers and sisters to vote for DA, or whatever party HumanoidTyphoon supports?
 
wayfarer said:
Which South Africa is that? The South Africa I know implements AA, which aims to more fairly distribute the region's wealth that was forcefully usurped and is being hogged by 9% of the country. Meanwhile, some others would prefer the 9% to hold on to their loot, and the other 91% to generate wealth for themselves out of thin air.
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..."hogged..." ..."loot..." ?? Fak u. I work my ass off everyday for my salary. I don't sit in a shack demanding handouts.
 
HumanoidTyphoon said:
Blacks in white countries are over represented in sports and music.
That's not a coincidence that happened over and over, that's ability.
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White country? I assume you mean countries where whites are a majority.

Just because Black slaves were forced to entertain their white masters with sports games and music, and that these are now a major part of Black cultural expression in countries where blacks are in the minority, doesn't mean that race and ability can definitively be correlated, at least not to the extent suggested. How often have majority Black countries won the Olympics, or any World Cup for that matter? And blacks certainly are not over-represented in SA sports!

Note that majority of Black sportsmen and athletes excel at sports that require little or no equipment/resources.


Consider the explanation by sports journalist, Chris Airey:

History
Historically, sport for black people was a way of escaping slavery; but they still largely performed for the amusement of their white owners. Boxing was common and these prize fighters set up a tradition of becoming cultural icons to be revered and copied. Since then the success of black competitors has been inspirations for others to follow.

There have been many successful black basketball players in the NBA, such as Wilt Chamberlain and Michael Jordan, who now act as role models for many to follow. This could explain why there are such a high number of black players in the NBA as there are competitors people can look up to within that sport. Simultaneously, there are no real successful black swimmers and therefore there are no role models to follow and they are less likely to get involved in that sport.

Ellis Cashmore highlights that major sports which black athletes have excelled at are also ones which demand little in the way of equipment. They can be practised away from any formal organisation with minimum resources. This could explain why there are a high number of black players in the NBA as all they need are a ball and a local court to practice, which are very common in America.

This could also explain why there are high numbers of black players playing football in England. Black Caribbean’s only make up 3% of the population; however 1 in 5 professional footballers are black. This can once again be explained by Professor Cashmore as sports where black people excel require minimal resources at little cost. For football, once again all you need is a ball and somewhere to play and there are many free places all across the country.
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wayfarer said:
(I will not reply to any further misinformation or faulty arguments about Islam that appears in this thread.)

Now, back to AA. I wish it would no longer be necessary, but as others have said in this thread, it may still be here for quite some time.
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Hahahah..."misinformation" and "faulty" Just because you dissagree with it. OMG....so typical of you. Any, and I mean ANY argument that dissagrees with you is immediately not applicable. You are pathetic.
 
wayfarer said:
White country? I assume you mean countries where whites are a majority.

Just because Black slaves were forced to entertain their white masters with sports games and music, and that these are now a major part of Black cultural expression in countries where blacks are in the minority, doesn't mean that race and ability can definitively be correlated, at least not to the extent suggested. How often have majority Black countries won the Olympics, or any World Cup for that matter? And blacks certainly are not over-represented in SA sports!

Note that major of black sportsman and athletes excel at sports which require little or no equipment/resources.


Consider the explanation by sports journalist, Chris Airey:
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Such BS. So what you are saying is the following: Mike Tyson became a champion 'cos his great-great grandpappy was a slave that entertained the "whi' massa" by boxing? Then these icons became the inspiration for future champions?? So you only need enough anger at being disadvantaged to become a champion...no talent or skills?

This crap about Africans being great runners 'cos that activity requires no equipment or sports facalities is also BS. This is the ultimate retrospective argument that these "sport scientists" came up with to "explain" this phenomenon. This is all connected to the age old argument about WHY Europeans evolved so quickly while Africans lagged behind...environmental reasons are used here exclusively. If African had nothing to worry about and life was so easy that they didn't have to think to survive like Europeans did, why didn't they use there spare time to figure sh*t out and to invent stuff. If the Europeans were so busy freezing thair asses off and survivng where did they find the time to invent...well, practically EVERYTHING?

The African laziness has just bee replaced by entitlement today.
 
Fuma said:
Say HumanoidTyphoon is a DA supporter with those views about black people, what am I supposed to convince my black brothers and sisters to vote for DA, or whatever party HumanoidTyphoon supports?
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Vote for whoever you like, this is your country, I have another.
Are there any major parties that are anti AA? I think not.
 
What does sports have to do with AA (except of course the quota BS instituted here)?
 
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wayfarer said:
AA, which aims to more fairly distribute the region's wealth[...] some others would prefer the 9% to hold on to their loot, and the other 91% to generate wealth for themselves out of thin air.
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Yep redistributing wealth is the way to go. There is even a historical precedent for this. They took "the loot" away from those that have it and now the economy is absolutely thriving. :cool: I was especially impressed with what the people who got the loot (so that they don't have to "generate wealth out of thin air") did with it...agricultural output shot through the roof since that redistribution. :cool: In fact it was so successful that they got a pile of international aid too. Plus the number of millionaires shot through the roof too.

Its totally awesome in Zim now. You should go there & marvel at the success of your ideas. ;)

Seriously I sometimes wonder about people. A policy is implemented and it completely and absolutely fcks an entire country...but there are still people unable to grasp that maybe its a bad idea. Maybe a country is too small...a larger scale demonstration is need...like a continent maybe...

I just hope I'm in Perth by the time the next demonstration of such successful policies occurs.
 
lynda123 said:
I disagree with the above statement - and it is not a question of colour. I think Affirmative Action; done fairly and property does enhance a more balanced society. The fact that people who had no resources to advance their education or even obtain sustainable income are given training opportunites and jpbs is a plus for me. It's quite surprising though when many people complain about this because the previous regime offered the same "Affirmative Action" plan where only a few were able to "benefit" from it. Just my 2 cents worth opinion.
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So because they did it makes it fine does it? So because someone did something wrong a generation ago everyone now in the same racial group has to pay the price? Are you for real - if this was the case are we then also allowed to bomb public areas like the ANC did? Please wake up
 
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warchylde said:
So because it they did it makes it fine does it? So because someone did something wrong a generation ago everyone now in the same racial group now has to pay the price? Are you for real - if this was the case are we then also allowed to bomb public areas like the ANC did? Please wake up
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I think lynda was just pointing out the hypocrisy... and your attack on it is a strawman, which is what you've all been up to all thread long.
The ANC's decision to implement those policies have nothing to do with what the Afrikaners did. Well in a way it does but not the Afrikaners' decision to implement their own AA when they took over from the Brits.
 
R13... said:
I think lynda was just pointing out the hypocrisy... and your attack on it is a strawman, which is what you've all been up to all thread long.
The ANC's decision to implement those policies have nothing to do with what the Afrikaners did. Well in a way it does but not the Afrikaners' decision to implement their own AA when they took over from the Brits.
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no it is a valid opinion. Tit for tat is childish and counter productive. The ANC's decision to implement AA has absolutely EVERYTHING to do with the previous regime. It's payback time now isn't it? What AA are you referring to wrt brits vs afrikaners?
 
warchylde said:
So because they did it makes it fine does it? So because someone did something wrong a generation ago everyone now in the same racial group has to pay the price? Are you for real - if this was the case are we then also allowed to bomb public areas like the ANC did? Please wake up
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Two wrongs don't make it right. AA is meant to enrich the country, allowing everyone to have decent education and possibly get decent jobs to be able to take their children to school, who will further develop this country. Who is talking about violence? I aint. No, you need to catch a wake up.
 
warchylde said:
no it is a valid opinion. Tit for tat is childish and counter productive. The ANC's decision to implement AA has absolutely EVERYTHING to do with the previous regime. It's payback time now isn't it? What AA are you referring to wrt brits vs afrikaners?
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I still disagree. The implentation of AA is correcting a wrong. It is only fair that people be given a right to basic education, decent jobs and a right to choose whatever job they like and can do.. It's time for us to move forward now and re-build our country as one, instead of blaming and blaming. Throwing the race card is so last Thursday
 
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