Afrihost CAPPED ADSL Feedback (MTN)

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Aaaand the packet loss begins... latency takes a hit... and this is probably considered normal for Afrihost's MTN connection.

:(

I did local speedtests today to Cape Town MTN hosted server... and the best it could muster was 53ms.

The same account using Vodacom or MWEB server for the speedtest... 9ms-11ms.

Speedtest to JHB hosted by MTN 77ms... to Vodacom under 44ms.

And I was told that this is normal and there is nothing wrong with MTN and Afrihost latency.

Hmmmmm....

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Something wrong with your configuration? Ask Afriman/guy/genie to check up on it, I have 8ms ping within cape town (http://www.speedtest.net/result/3889284818.png), 26ms to joburg (http://www.speedtest.net/result/3889289607.png).

International though:
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Had under 200 ping and 8.7mb down earlier this afternoon?

EDIT: Adding some more, the ping improved, so International capacity issues or something with the peak in demand?
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Lol, one minute later, ping is improving though :D
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And last one:
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Something wrong with your configuration? Ask Afriman/guy/genie to check up on it, I have 8ms ping within cape town (http://www.speedtest.net/result/3889284818.png), 26ms to joburg (http://www.speedtest.net/result/3889289607.png).

International though:
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Had under 200 ping and 8.7mb down earlier this afternoon?

EDIT: Adding some more, the ping improved, so International capacity issues or something with the peak in demand?View attachment 164873

Do you get the same result using the MTN speedtest servers?

I did these tests with an Afri-peep today... and the MTN servers, on a test account, were hitting 53ms for local Cape Town, 9ms on non MTN server, JHB 77ms, 40ish for non MTN.

I was told this is normal.

I was actually asked to resubmit tests to support, again, so that some more investigation can be done... but, if this is deemed normal... and packet loss and latency is OK on the MTN Afrihost network with these Capped accounts then what is the point?

My experience of Afrihost support, Afri-peeps on the forum excluded, is tracerts, tests, diagnostics, then complete and utter nothing until I ask for feedback, then repeat tracerts, tests and diagnostics, then again I am completely ignored and nothing is received at all, until I chase it up again... even my Critical Care experience resulted in zero response to all email and more than a week of nothing.

So... I am more than a little reluctant to go through those hoops again.

BUT...

I ask myself just what would be resulting in this packet loss and latency spikes on every hop of the Afrihost MTN network and just why this is not seen as something anomalous and rather alarming? is it perhaps intentional... it has been ongoing prior to the upgrades and has persisted post-upgrades. Business Uncapped is seeing similar results... yet the network is fine and everything is normal.

The real rub is I would REALLY like these capped accounts to just work like they did in the beginning of the year... they flew and took everything in their stride... before the Twitch buffering started, before the Youtube buffering and quality degradation... and then the IPC capacity issues...

Post upgrade an improvement of sorts, but Twitch streaming never recovered, and Youtube still struggles... and THEN the iOS update crash followed by another IPC capacity saturation and now it seems to be stuck in this stage.

Where is the Afrihost of old?

The company that celebrated the underdog?

The champion of us little guys?

Now we get the corporate management decision fob-offs

Rather lose a client completely for good and cancel all services than credit for the month of IPC rubbish, etc. etc.
I have seen this more than a few times where loyal clients requested a refund for the month and were told to rather claim double-money back and have all ties cut...
Management decisions I am told and must remember that management know clients better than they do themselves.

So... Johnatan56, I suppose yes, this should be followed up by Afrihost support... after all how many times must it be shown that there is nothing this side of the exchange that can be done to fix these Afrihost "normalities"... these issues do not persist or even appear on other ISP accounts at all... there is nothing that I nor Telkom can do to address this Afrihost MTN thing... it is completely and utterly in Afrihost's dominion. There is nothing more I am able to do but perhaps completely run out of patience and quit hitting my head against the same wall each time expecting a different outcome.

It used to work beautifully... but nostalgia is but a finger-grip really and not a sustainable support.
 
Think I'm going to try moving to axxis at the end of the month. Still can't steam property to international sites. It's a hit and miss sometimes it works ok others it buffers every 5 seconds. I do miss the old Afrihost...
 
Do you get the same result using the MTN speedtest servers?

I did these tests with an Afri-peep today... and the MTN servers, on a test account, were hitting 53ms for local Cape Town, 9ms on non MTN server, JHB 77ms

Shortened this in order to use less space.

So... Johnatan56, I suppose yes, this should be followed up by Afrihost support... after all how many times must it be shown that there is nothing this side of the exchange that can be done to fix these Afrihost "normalities"... these issues do not persist or even appear on other ISP accounts at all... there is nothing that I nor Telkom can do to address this Afrihost MTN thing... it is completely and utterly in Afrihost's dominion.

It used to work beautifully... but nostalgia is but a finger-grip really and not a sustainable support.

The local ones are MTN servers, I am in Cape Town as well, so that's why I am thinking the problem is more specific towards your line. I am also having the international issue in the evenings though, so I am more inclined to think international throughput is too much for them.
 
The local ones are MTN servers, I am in Cape Town as well, so that's why I am thinking the problem is more specific towards your line. I am also having the international issue in the evenings though, so I am more inclined to think international throughput is too much for them.

My line is fine... this issue is isolated only to Afrihost. Axxess, same MTN backbone, does not degrade like AH does.

Cape Town Speedtests to MTN
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CT To Vodacom
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To JHB MTN
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To JHB Mweb
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Packet loss and latency spikes at every hop only on AH accounts is not my line issue... International becomes unusable.

Code:
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                   No response from host -  100 |   80 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                           41.181.53.213 -    4 |  347 |  334 |    7 |   61 | 1236 |    8 |
|          ipc-send-tb-3a.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  359 |  349 |    7 |   48 | 1191 |   44 |
|   tb-dca-2.za--qux-c.za.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  357 |  347 |    7 |   54 | 1192 |   28 |
|                   compj-cpt-1.mtnns.net -    2 |  371 |  364 |    7 |   48 | 1163 |    9 |
|        ct-cr-2.za--tb-cr-1.za.mtnns.net -    4 |  347 |  334 |    8 |   51 | 1173 |    9 |
|        rb-cr-1.za--ct-cr-2.za.mtnns.net -    4 |  355 |  344 |   30 |   65 | 1168 |   34 |
|                            196.44.31.97 -    2 |  375 |  369 |   29 |   77 | 1211 |   29 |
|                           196.31.220.10 -    2 |  371 |  364 |   29 |   79 | 1189 |   30 |
|                           196.31.220.21 -    3 |  363 |  354 |   30 |   60 | 1163 |   37 |
|                           196.31.63.202 -    3 |  359 |  349 |   29 |   76 | 1195 |   33 |
|          vl9-ah-ha-2.za.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  363 |  354 |   30 |   71 | 1242 |   39 |
|                     cms-gm.afrihost.com -    5 |  339 |  324 |   30 |   74 | 1228 |   31 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
 
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Well, I signed up for a capped account today and I'm far from impressed.

It was good during business hours, but now this...

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This is on a 4Mbps line. I've also tested it on another 4Mbps line and same result.

Sorry to hear about the slow speeds :(
Did you manage to grab any other tests last night?
 
Aaaand the packet loss begins... latency takes a hit... and this is probably considered normal for Afrihost's MTN connection.

:(

I did local speedtests today to Cape Town MTN hosted server... and the best it could muster was 53ms.

The same account using Vodacom or MWEB server for the speedtest... 9ms-11ms.

Speedtest to JHB hosted by MTN 77ms... to Vodacom under 44ms.

And I was told that this is normal and there is nothing wrong with MTN and Afrihost latency.

Hmmmmm....

Code:
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                   No response from host -  100 |   80 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                           41.181.53.213 -    4 |  347 |  334 |    7 |   61 | 1236 |    8 |
|          ipc-send-tb-3a.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  359 |  349 |    7 |   48 | 1191 |   44 |
|   tb-dca-2.za--qux-c.za.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  357 |  347 |    7 |   54 | 1192 |   28 |
|                   compj-cpt-1.mtnns.net -    2 |  371 |  364 |    7 |   48 | 1163 |    9 |
|        ct-cr-2.za--tb-cr-1.za.mtnns.net -    4 |  347 |  334 |    8 |   51 | 1173 |    9 |
|        rb-cr-1.za--ct-cr-2.za.mtnns.net -    4 |  355 |  344 |   30 |   65 | 1168 |   34 |
|                            196.44.31.97 -    2 |  375 |  369 |   29 |   77 | 1211 |   29 |
|                           196.31.220.10 -    2 |  371 |  364 |   29 |   79 | 1189 |   30 |
|                           196.31.220.21 -    3 |  363 |  354 |   30 |   60 | 1163 |   37 |
|                           196.31.63.202 -    3 |  359 |  349 |   29 |   76 | 1195 |   33 |
|          vl9-ah-ha-2.za.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  363 |  354 |   30 |   71 | 1242 |   39 |
|                     cms-gm.afrihost.com -    5 |  339 |  324 |   30 |   74 | 1228 |   31 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|

Not Afrihost Account:
Code:
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                   No response from host -  100 |   80 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|       cdsl2-ctn-vl2473-ipc.ip.isnet.net -    0 |  401 |  401 |    7 |   24 |   71 |    8 |
|            vlan2473.cdsl2-ctn.isdsl.net -    0 |  401 |  401 |    7 |   11 |   97 |    8 |
|                          196.35.115.136 -    0 |  401 |  401 |    7 |   11 |   82 |    9 |
|                            168.209.6.13 -    0 |  401 |  401 |    7 |   12 |   94 |    8 |
|                           168.209.6.130 -    0 |  401 |  401 |    7 |   11 |   80 |    9 |
|                 41-208-29-210.mtnns.net -    0 |  401 |  401 |    7 |   12 |  152 |    8 |
|                             196.44.0.75 -    0 |  401 |  401 |    7 |   13 |  119 |   17 |
|        rb-cr-1.za--ct-cr-2.za.mtnns.net -    0 |  401 |  401 |   27 |   33 |  121 |   38 |
|                            196.44.31.97 -    0 |  401 |  401 |   27 |   30 |  102 |   28 |
|                           196.31.220.12 -    1 |  397 |  396 |   27 |   32 |  114 |   28 |
|                           196.31.220.25 -    0 |  401 |  401 |   26 |   30 |  121 |   27 |
|                           196.31.63.206 -    0 |  401 |  401 |   26 |   33 |  276 |   28 |
|          vl9-ah-ha-2.za.mtnbusiness.net -    0 |  401 |  401 |   27 |   32 |  173 |   28 |
|                     cms-gm.afrihost.com -    0 |  401 |  401 |   27 |   32 |  113 |   27 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|

There's still very erratic and high latency on these tests, just very interesting that using other accounts latency at the exchange is better.
Have you run the tests with your non-Afrihost account after leaving it connected for some time? When you enter new details it'll reset the port most of the time which may improve latency for a while.
 
My line is fine... this issue is isolated only to Afrihost. Axxess, same MTN backbone, does not degrade like AH does.

Cape Town Speedtests to MTN
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CT To Vodacom
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To JHB MTN
3887860071.png



To JHB Mweb
3887863236.png


Packet loss and latency spikes at every hop only on AH accounts is not my line issue... International becomes unusable.

Code:
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                   No response from host -  100 |   80 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                           41.181.53.213 -    4 |  347 |  334 |    7 |   61 | 1236 |    8 |
|          ipc-send-tb-3a.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  359 |  349 |    7 |   48 | 1191 |   44 |
|   tb-dca-2.za--qux-c.za.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  357 |  347 |    7 |   54 | 1192 |   28 |
|                   compj-cpt-1.mtnns.net -    2 |  371 |  364 |    7 |   48 | 1163 |    9 |
|        ct-cr-2.za--tb-cr-1.za.mtnns.net -    4 |  347 |  334 |    8 |   51 | 1173 |    9 |
|        rb-cr-1.za--ct-cr-2.za.mtnns.net -    4 |  355 |  344 |   30 |   65 | 1168 |   34 |
|                            196.44.31.97 -    2 |  375 |  369 |   29 |   77 | 1211 |   29 |
|                           196.31.220.10 -    2 |  371 |  364 |   29 |   79 | 1189 |   30 |
|                           196.31.220.21 -    3 |  363 |  354 |   30 |   60 | 1163 |   37 |
|                           196.31.63.202 -    3 |  359 |  349 |   29 |   76 | 1195 |   33 |
|          vl9-ah-ha-2.za.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  363 |  354 |   30 |   71 | 1242 |   39 |
|                     cms-gm.afrihost.com -    5 |  339 |  324 |   30 |   74 | 1228 |   31 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|

Just out of curiosity, does 41.181.53.213 ever resolve to a hostname?
Could you add a traceroute too please?
 
There's still very erratic and high latency on these tests, just very interesting that using other accounts latency at the exchange is better.
Have you run the tests with your non-Afrihost account after leaving it connected for some time? When you enter new details it'll reset the port most of the time which may improve latency for a while.

I have my modem in bridge mode, and dial-up each account when changing... the router does not even get rebooted and I can switch accounts instantly without resetting anything. Afrihost will do the borked-shuffle daily... I used an Axxess account for 3 days and zero issues this week. I switch to Afrihost in the hope that it works again, use the account for a while, and when it begins to do the packet loss, latency routine, switch to other accounts and continue again.

I can use the non-Afrihost accounts for hours, days and this does not happen to them... this is isolated, as said before, to Afrihost.

EDIT:

Modem Stats

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I have my modem in bridge mode, and dial-up each account when changing... the router does not even get rebooted and I can switch accounts instantly without resetting anything. Afrihost will do the borked-shuffle daily... I used an Axxess account for 3 days and zero issues this week. I switch to Afrihost in the hope that it works again, use the account for a while, and when it begins to do the packet loss, latency routine, switch to other accounts and continue again.

I can use the non-Afrihost accounts for hours, days and this does not happen to them... there is isolated, as said before, to Afrihost.

Lets see what MTN can see on their end.
When you use a different account the traffic will be split off the same BRAS. Either to our IPC or someone elses.

Can you PM me your details please?
 
Lets see what MTN can see on their end.
When you use a different account the traffic will be split off the same BRAS. Either to our IPC or someone elses.

Can you PM me your details please?

I PM'd them to you yesterday... but will do it again.

Thank you.
 
http://myip.ms/info/whois/41.181.53.213

inetnum: 41.181.0.0 - 41.181.255.255
netname: MTNNS-NET5
descr: MTN Business SA Static space
country: ZA

Just replied to your PM, I know this IP is owned by MTN - usually your 2nd hop will be marked as the breakoff point for our IPC, usually esr-lo.mtnbusiness or something along those lines.

Anyway, will await a few more tests via PM and escalate this off to MTN.
 
Just replied to your PM, I know this IP is owned by MTN - usually your 2nd hop will be marked as the breakoff point for our IPC, usually esr-lo.mtnbusiness or something along those lines.

Anyway, will await a few more tests via PM and escalate this off to MTN.

Nope... does not resolve to anything... just the IP.
 
Sorry to hear about the slow speeds :(
Did you manage to grab any other tests last night?

I ran a few trace routes to see if there was congestion on the 2nd hop, but it was only 20ms, which is normal around here and I get full speed with other accounts, so it's not the line.
 
Hi AfriGuy

My PM is too big... so here are the test results as requested.

Afrihost 1st;

Afrihost Capped

Local Tracert
Code:
Tracing route to news24.co.za [41.86.110.143]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     9 ms     8 ms     8 ms  41.181.53.149 
  3     8 ms     8 ms     7 ms  ipc-recieve-tb-1a.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.53.150] 
  4     7 ms     7 ms     7 ms  tb-dca-2.za--qux-c.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.198.188] 
  5     9 ms     8 ms     9 ms  unc-cpt-1.mtnns.net [196.44.18.8] 
  6     8 ms     8 ms     7 ms  196.44.31.106 
  7     9 ms     9 ms     8 ms  nl-ha-2.za--rb-cr-1.za-a.mtnns.net [196.44.0.121] 
  8    14 ms     9 ms    11 ms  196-28-178-141.adsl.mweb.co.za [196.28.178.141] 
  9    11 ms    14 ms    11 ms  tengig-0-7-0-3-cpt-p-2.mweb.co.za [197.84.7.2] 
 10     9 ms     9 ms     9 ms  vl-12-cpt-hscore-2.mweb.co.za [197.84.5.254] 
 11    14 ms    12 ms    14 ms  vp-02-14.bb.ctn.c27.za.net [196.28.178.70] 
 12     9 ms     9 ms    12 ms  gig5-2-cpt-opt-65-1.optinet.net [196.41.133.166] 
 13    11 ms    10 ms     9 ms  OPTI-CPT-N1-Hosting.optinet.net [197.84.196.6] 
 14    10 ms    10 ms    11 ms  197-84-208-146.cpt.mweb.co.za [197.84.208.146] 
 15    10 ms    10 ms    12 ms  41-86-110-143.mweb.co.za [41.86.110.143] 

Trace complete.

International Tracert
Code:
Tracing route to thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  2     8 ms     8 ms     8 ms  41.181.221.253 
  3    15 ms     7 ms     *     41.181.221.254 
  4     9 ms     8 ms     9 ms  tb-dca-2.za--qux-a.za.mtnbusiness.net [41.181.184.28] 
  5     9 ms     9 ms     8 ms  unc-cpt-1.mtnns.net [196.44.18.8] 
  6     8 ms     8 ms     9 ms  196.44.31.106 
  7   185 ms   151 ms   150 ms  am-cr-1.am--lt-cr-1.uk-a.mtnns.net [196.44.31.221] 
  8   152 ms   151 ms   171 ms  ls-pr-1.uk--ls-cr-1.uk-a.mtn.net [209.212.111.83] 
  9   152 ms   152 ms   152 ms  linx-gw1.thn.ncuk.net [195.66.224.240] 
 10   152 ms   152 ms   152 ms  te2-1-9.star10g.bdr-rt3.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.17] 
 11   154 ms   154 ms   153 ms  te1-1-1-31.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net [80.249.97.85] 
 12   152 ms   151 ms   152 ms  www.thinkbroadband.com [80.249.99.130] 

Trace complete.
International Speedtest
Downloaded 20.0 megabytes in 1:44 seconds. (195.41 KB/s)

Local Speedtest
Downloaded 15.6 megabytes in 35 seconds. (454.17 KB/s)

Test End Timestamp
2014-11-07 12:39:03,66

Local MTR
Code:
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                   No response from host -  100 |   52 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                            41.181.54.85 -    3 |  233 |  227 |    7 |  152 | 1406 |    8 |
|       ipc-recieve-tb-2a.mtnbusiness.net -    2 |  244 |  241 |    7 |  149 | 1231 |    7 |
|   tb-dca-2.za--qux-c.za.mtnbusiness.net -    1 |  251 |  250 |    6 |  142 | 1885 |    7 |
|                   compj-cpt-1.mtnns.net -    3 |  234 |  228 |    7 |  110 | 1135 |    8 |
|        ct-cr-2.za--tb-cr-1.za.mtnns.net -    2 |  239 |  235 |    8 |  132 | 1974 |    8 |
|                             196.44.0.74 -    3 |  237 |  232 |    7 |  119 | 1109 |   11 |
|          196-28-178-141.adsl.mweb.co.za -    2 |  241 |  237 |    8 |  129 | 1238 |   11 |
|       tengig-0-0-0-1-cpt-p-1.mweb.co.za -    3 |  236 |  231 |   10 |  114 | 1669 |   12 |
|           vl-11-cpt-hscore-1.mweb.co.za -    2 |  243 |  240 |    8 |  145 | 1948 |    9 |
|                           196.28.178.66 -    1 |  252 |  251 |    9 |  149 | 1393 |   11 |
|         gig5-1-cpt-opt-65-1.optinet.net -    3 |  237 |  232 |    8 |  114 | 1980 |    9 |
|         OPTI-CPT-N1-Hosting.optinet.net -    2 |  241 |  237 |    9 |  123 | 1251 |   10 |
|           197-84-208-146.cpt.mweb.co.za -    2 |  244 |  241 |    9 |  128 | 1232 |   14 |
|                41-86-110-143.mweb.co.za -    2 |  245 |  242 |    9 |  120 | 1378 |   11 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|

Int. MTR
Code:
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|                                      WinMTR statistics                                   |
|                       Host              -   %  | Sent | Recv | Best | Avrg | Wrst | Last |
|------------------------------------------------|------|------|------|------|------|------|
|                   No response from host -  100 |   53 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |    0 |
|                           41.181.53.213 -    3 |  247 |  242 |    7 |   74 | 1210 |    7 |
|          ipc-send-tb-3a.mtnbusiness.net -    2 |  251 |  247 |    7 |   48 | 1159 |    9 |
|   tb-dca-2.za--qux-a.za.mtnbusiness.net -    3 |  246 |  241 |    7 |   78 | 1234 |    7 |
|                     unc-cpt-1.mtnns.net -    1 |  259 |  257 |    7 |   76 | 1269 |    7 |
|                           196.44.31.106 -    3 |  247 |  242 |    7 |   50 | 1136 |    8 |
|      am-cr-1.am--lt-cr-1.uk-a.mtnns.net -    1 |  262 |  261 |  150 |  226 | 1425 |  150 |
|        ls-pr-1.uk--ls-cr-1.uk-a.mtn.net -    1 |  258 |  256 |  150 |  206 | 1412 |  151 |
|                   linx-gw1.thn.ncuk.net -    2 |  254 |  251 |  151 |  208 | 1409 |  151 |
|   te2-1-9.star10g.bdr-rt3.thdo.ncuk.net -    2 |  250 |  246 |  151 |  206 | 1397 |  152 |
|       te1-1-1-31.core-rs2.thdo.ncuk.net -    3 |  243 |  237 |  151 |  188 |  918 |  154 |
|                  www.thinkbroadband.com -    1 |  259 |  257 |  150 |  207 | 1380 |  152 |
|________________________________________________|______|______|______|______|______|______|
 
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