Afrihost POC Network - Afrigreen Feedback

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jmacc

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These are my pingpath tests using Afrigreen on the 2nd Hop:
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
2 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 169-0-18-1.ip.afrihost.co.za [169.0.18.1]

On Afrigreen - The Round Trip Time (RTT) times out. 100% packet loss.

These are my pingpath tests using another ISP account on the 2nd Hop:
2 19ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 196-210-146-1.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.146.1]
On the other ISP - RTT 19 ms with Zero packet loss
 

w1tw0lf

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Here is some of my stats that I have been used to:

traceroute google.co.za

traceroute to google.co.za (216.239.38.120), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 DNSTHINGY.local (192.168.0.1) 0.258 ms 0.350 ms 0.592 ms
2 169-0-60-1.ip.afrihost.co.za (169.0.60.1) 6.445 ms 8.440 ms 10.608 ms
3 169-1-1-238.ip.afrihost.co.za (169.1.1.238 ) 15.530 ms 16.938 ms 18.216 ms
4 41.170.79.236 (41.170.79.236) 20.924 ms 22.590 ms 24.557 ms
5 google.jb1.napafrica.net (196.46.25.166) 26.800 ms 28.242 ms 30.441 ms
6 72.14.237.239 (72.14.237.239) 32.911 ms 72.14.239.129 (72.14.239.129) 25.384 ms 72.14.237.239 (72.14.237.239) 7.960 ms
7 any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120) 9.921 ms 12.115 ms 14.260 ms


ping google.co.za


PING google.co.za (216.239.38.120) 56(84) bytes of data.64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=7.53 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=8.12 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=7.90 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=7.73 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=5 ttl=57 time=7.64 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=6 ttl=57 time=11.6 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=7 ttl=57 time=7.53 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=8 ttl=57 time=8.44 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=9 ttl=57 time=8.19 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=10 ttl=57 time=8.21 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=11 ttl=57 time=8.01 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=12 ttl=57 time=7.50 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=13 ttl=57 time=8.46 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=14 ttl=57 time=7.72 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=15 ttl=57 time=7.27 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=16 ttl=57 time=20.0 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=17 ttl=57 time=7.41 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=18 ttl=57 time=8.21 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=19 ttl=57 time=8.01 ms
64 bytes from any-in-2678.1e100.net (216.239.38.120): icmp_seq=20 ttl=57 time=8.25 ms
^C
--- google.co.za ping statistics ---
20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19027ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 7.275/8.697/20.033/2.749 ms

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Zertop

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Yeah somethings off tonight... Speedtests full speed but unable to load websites at any reasonable speed.

AfriRed working well though!

Z
 

PsyWulf

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Facebook slow,diablo3 latency is through the roof. Windows updates rocking it at sub 7kb/s. Definitely not 100%
 

AfriGenie

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Yeah somethings off tonight... Speedtests full speed but unable to load websites at any reasonable speed.

AfriRed working well though!

Z
:(

That's not good... How are things looking this morning?
 

AfriGenie

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Facebook slow,diablo3 latency is through the roof. Windows updates rocking it at sub 7kb/s. Definitely not 100%

Are you on a Capped, Uncapped or Business Uncapped account? Are you using the default DNS?
 

Igor III

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I hear what you are saying.

I just don't know how much more of this I can take. I was forced to buy a backup account today because this BS is having an impact on our business. I have defended Afrihost in the past and I have never left as a client. Been with them from the beginning. They were brilliant, then the whole MTN thing happened. It's been problematic since then.
I have looked at other service providers and I will definitely move if this new network does not work. There are good ISPs out there. I do not expect perfection but this is madness!

I am with you on this one - Signed up with AH way back in Jan 2011 and had the genuine "pure internet joy" experience for approximately 10 months. Learnt a very expensive lesson at the time, as AH ClientZone techie convinced my problems I had at the time was due to a faulty modem ...... bought a fairly expensive replacement unit, only to find that the fault was not with my modem :twisted:

Jumped ship a few times and returned to AH a few times, just to end up being seriously frustrated (I do relate how you feel, even though I am not relying on AH for my business ... my internet access is purely for leisure).

The problem I have is a case of "when we" :(

Because I really had an awesome time with Afrihost's service in early 2011 (and the odd few months after that when they were delivering the service one expects), I kinda expect it to continue indefinitely - sadly it is not happening and I suppose that is where some of the additional frustration creeps in. AH keeps laying claim to the "pure internet joy" experience, but at times fails to deliver.

As I sadi before, I will be here until the launch of the "miracle cure" and like yourself, if it fails to deliver, I shall also be seeking a new ISP (not sure who though).

Who knows maybe I am a masochists and this is why I keep returning :p
 

Igor III

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For some reason your line isn't consistent.

/snip

Yay! I am glad you see it too ...... this is what I am saying all along :(

Yet, when I connect via my WebAfrica account, it is totally different - why?
 

AfriGenie

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I am with you on this one - Signed up with AH way back in Jan 2011 and had the genuine "pure internet joy" experience for approximately 10 months. Learnt a very expensive lesson at the time, as AH ClientZone techie convinced my problems I had at the time was due to a faulty modem ...... bought a fairly expensive replacement unit, only to find that the fault was not with my modem :twisted:

Jumped ship a few times and returned to AH a few times, just to end up being seriously frustrated (I do relate how you feel, even though I am not relying on AH for my business ... my internet access is purely for leisure).

The problem I have is a case of "when we" :(

Because I really had an awesome time with Afrihost's service in early 2011 (and the odd few months after that when they were delivering the service one expects), I kinda expect it to continue indefinitely - sadly it is not happening and I suppose that is where some of the additional frustration creeps in. AH keeps laying claim to the "pure internet joy" experience, but at times fails to deliver.

As I sadi before, I will be here until the launch of the "miracle cure" and like yourself, if it fails to deliver, I shall also be seeking a new ISP (not sure who though).

Who knows maybe I am a masochists and this is why I keep returning :p

I know the last week has not been great... But there is definitely light at the end of the tunnel, and once we've started the production roll-out of Afrigreen, you will notice a marked difference between the PoC and the production iteration.
 

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Yay! I am glad you see it too ...... this is what I am saying all along :(

Yet, when I connect via my WebAfrica account, it is totally different - why?
If I knew the correct answer I would have told you.
It could be due to Afrihost and Web Africa using different international links.

Isn't it why they want you to post trace routes to identify bad links in the chain?
 

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I don't think that is correct at all. To deploy a full production network, with IPC in major regions and capacity to run out national network would be impractical, and not be manageable to the extent that we could derive meaningful insights in a short period of time. There would simply be too many variables, to much data, and it would pose the risk of massive failure. It makes sense to recreate a much smaller network, on a smaller scale, and simulate conditions as closely as possible. We did this with our MTN network change, and we've done exactly the same here, so I think our experience is definitely that this is the right approach.

I think you're making a lot of very fast and loose statements about skill levels and the company going out of business, and that's really very unfair and not based on any kind of factual investigation. Not sure what your intention is, since you have already decided to leave. Maybe respect other's right to do the same :)

You make it sound like Afrihost is the first company to run an ISP business and you are busy inventing the internet. My point was that those technologies exist and are implemented by thousands of ISPs across the globe. Maybe you should rebrand your "Afrihost POC" then to "Afrihost limited lab-test". To me a proof-of-concept should be something which is run for a predetermined time (in your case you said "a few months") to achieve specific goals/KPIs. During the POC you would then attempt to understand viability of your solution and isolate technical issues.

My question is really: How come other ISPs manage to get it right and you can not ever since you joined MTN (but now using Neotel face the same issues, which possibly means that it is not a core-network issue with the backbone provider, but rather an issue with your own network topology).

I had the deepest respect for the innovative Afrihost 3 years ago, but I think you have lost all credibility due to the lack of leadership and transparency. I find that a company like VOX has not just become innovative but also disruptive in the ISP space and is executing their business plans with solid strategies and incredible technical customer service (something AH used to have years back). I would have expected that almost 4 months into your POC your executive team had reached out to your customers, but everyone seems to ignore that elephant in the room.
 

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You make it sound like Afrihost is the first company to run an ISP business and you are busy inventing the internet. My point was that those technologies exist and are implemented by thousands of ISPs across the globe. Maybe you should rebrand your "Afrihost POC" then to "Afrihost limited lab-test". To me a proof-of-concept should be something which is run for a predetermined time (in your case you said "a few months") to achieve specific goals/KPIs. During the POC you would then attempt to understand viability of your solution and isolate technical issues.

My question is really: How come other ISPs manage to get it right and you can not ever since you joined MTN (but now using Neotel face the same issues, which possibly means that it is not a core-network issue with the backbone provider, but rather an issue with your own network topology).

I had the deepest respect for the innovative Afrihost 3 years ago, but I think you have lost all credibility due to the lack of leadership and transparency. I find that a company like VOX has not just become innovative but also disruptive in the ISP space and is executing their business plans with solid strategies and incredible technical customer service (something AH used to have years back). I would have expected that almost 4 months into your POC your executive team had reached out to your customers, but everyone seems to ignore that elephant in the room.

I feel I should point out that the Afrigreen PoC network, has been built from the ground up, it is an entirely new network, whereas most ISPs - including us - used either the IS, Telkom or MTN networks. Going into the PoC, we knew what we had to achieve, and now we are in the process of rolling out the production version of Afrigreen.

As to the silence, you can find Gian's latest update Here.
 
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Igor III

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If I knew the correct answer I would have told you.
It could be due to Afrihost and Web Africa using different international links.

Isn't it why they want you to post trace routes to identify bad links in the chain?

If you look at my ping plotter tests on the three networks (Afrihost MTN, Afrigreen and WebAfrica) the intermittent latency spikes is not really on the international hops - it is all on the local hops.

This is exactly why I post the results across all three networks ........... yet the classical ClientZone response to me for the past two weeks is that the fault is on my home equipment :p
 
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